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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #44
coldfire wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROI may be? the market size in Israel is not as big in other countries, so it makes sense to target bigger audience first. Also does Israel have any good local EV manufacturers that can give Tesla any competition?

> the market size in Israel is not as big in other countries Why, comma, you say that as if building a car outside of Germany and selling it inside of Germany would face some sort of unfair obstacles, rather than being a straightforward and painless process as it ought.

> Inside of Germany

That should be "Inside of Europe" because the barriers to selling cars in the EU are just about the same as selling Nevada cars in California.

For US->Europe tariffs for cars are around 10% I believe.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by StuffedParrot »

leesec wrote: post #125
klausa wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is a luxury-good company that collects petabytes of data from public roads daily, is run by a billionaire that regularly makes an ass of himself on Twitter and is vocally anti-union. I'll join the protests myself.

I think I'm missing something here. You'll protest people in Germany getting jobs because the CEO "makes an ass of himself on Twitter"? Like, why do you care?

First, you ignored the substance of the comment.

Second, Twitter has massive impact, and Elon Musk is an ass of a role model.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by brianwawok »

propercoil wrote: post #51
maxlamb wrote: post #49

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Israel may be cooler than Las Vegas but definitely warmer than Reno, NV where the gigafactory is located. Reno gets 22 inches of snow per year.

Our north snows every year and it gets really cold in the winter (the center of the country Jerusalem snows every other year too). Also, Jordan next to us has Teslas and we have lower temperatures so it's not the climate.

https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/1548~98866/Comparison-of-...

Appears that Reno gets colder for several months and hotter for about 2 months

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by natch »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #90

This is all good news. Just wondering about repairs globally as Tesla's start aging and they need to be repaired, or for whatever the current % of their vehicles require service year over year. They must have that info given the amount of telematics they generate AND that they are sole source for maintenance and repair.

With no carburetors, alternators, starter motors, fuel pumps, fuel filters, oil filters, oil leaks, gas leaks, exhaust buildup, spark plugs, timing belts, radiators, head gaskets, mufflers, rings, manifolds, belts... and with brake pads that last forever... it's significantly less maintenance.

And Teslas are not designed to milk the consumer for repairs over the years; they are designed to convince consumers that electric cars are a better choice.

The Model 3 is designed to last 1 million miles. So sure, it will be fascinating to see how they do... but that's like 25 or more years from now.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pteredactyl »

pixelpoet wrote: post #131
pjc50 wrote: post #59

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Tesla isn't particularly political and there's no Fascist angle?

It's not really about that, so much as wanting to avoid what happened to the Bay Area. Massive gentrification, something Berlin has already struggled with for about 10 years (almost its defining issue in modern times IMO), is a serious problem if the rest of the city is rather poor, which Berlin actually was in the 2000s compared to the rest of the country ("poor but sexy", as it was sold).

When I hear this, I hear jobs and the most revolutionary green company are not welcome. If that's the case, Berlin is lost.

There is good and bad to gentrification. You don't hear stories of the people who bought their house for 50k in 1980 who then sold it in 2010 for 1.3MM. Or the people thankful they don't have to walk around in fear of gangs for themselves or their children.

TO me the biggest problem is the State. In SF, among many many other things, it's their zoning policies that caused the housing crisis. But they run education and media. So people blame the most revolutionary green company, or others bring wealth to the area, instead of the State.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by Reason077 »

fyfy18 wrote: post #140
propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

Israel is probably just too small of a market at the moment. In most European countries there still isn't a official Tesla store or service center. I live in the Baltic's and a friend of a freind has a Model X which was involved in a minor accident (other drivers fault) last year. To get it repaired without affecting the warranty it had to be sent to Tesla, which meant it had to be taken to Finland (700km) or Germany…

> “Israel is probably just too small of a market”

I’m not sure if size has much to do with it. Tesla is in remote countries like New Zealand (1/2 the population of Israel) and Iceland (about 1/20th the population of Israel), as well as neighbouring Jordan (similar size to Israel).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pteredactyl »

jussij wrote: post #69
DanielleMolloy wrote: post #63

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Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens. Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

False comparison. Google users are voluntary. No one forces someone to use Google like the Government forces someone to pay tax.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by SEJeff »

chiph wrote: post #127
SEJeff wrote: post #83

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I will say that Tel Aviv and Haifa both have excellent engineers. As Tesla grows I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't have engineers in Israel. That said, most of the engineering is still based out of Silicon Valley, so that might be why? As a tesla fan and owner, I hope you get your superchargers. I've heard rumors that they've just started seriously producing the supercharger v3 hardware at the Buffalo, NY factory…

They need some good engineers, sure. But what they really need is someone who can produce better welds.

Nah that’s SpaceX, not Tesla. The S and X use a lot of friction stir welding, which machines do anyways not humans.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pteredactyl »

leesec wrote: post #125
klausa wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is a luxury-good company that collects petabytes of data from public roads daily, is run by a billionaire that regularly makes an ass of himself on Twitter and is vocally anti-union. I'll join the protests myself.

I think I'm missing something here. You'll protest people in Germany getting jobs because the CEO "makes an ass of himself on Twitter"? Like, why do you care?

They care because they've been given a voice. Yet lack the power and respect of someone like Elon Musk. It's best to ignore them, if possible.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pteredactyl »

zeristor wrote: post #87
tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

Anti-fa, isn’t that just a term used by fascists? Fas? Wasn’t the Allied War effort in WW2 “Anti-Fa”? Or am I missing something? Perhaps this could be added to the reminders list for the next Remembrance Day?

A public label is often only surface deep. For example, Google's original motto was: "Don't be evil."
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