I tried to play the about PeerTube video and selected 1080p and got about a second, then spent most of the time waiting while it buffered... very slowly (100-200KB/s), whereas YouTube 1080p is near-instant. I would have thought there (probably) most popular video should be well seeded, but I only see like 2 seeds on it.
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#142So the only peer-related functionality is allowing a site to share videos with other sites? While I appreciate the project, this seems like a useless gadget to me.
If we want to fix the problems of Youtube we need a service that allows creators to independently make their own video distribution website as easily as creating a Wordpress blog today. It means something that just works without technical knowledge, while the creator has 100% freedom and responsibility about what is hosted.
The www is decentralized by nature, no need to reinvent crazy and complex things. We just need to be able to create a video-distribution-website as easily as a facebook page or a youtube channel.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps we need to teach Perhaps we need to start accepting that not everyone wants to know the particulars of the things that we care about. The need to teach new things is one of the big forces standing in the way of wide adoption of a lot of open solutions.
Are you familiar with the proverb "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime" ? It's not about teaching everyone how to setup a PT instance, but how things works for the best outside a totaly centralised and company-owned system.
When someone is not interested in learning you're not going to be able to force them. In my experience you either make peace with that or live a frustrating life.
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#144I really want to like peertube but I think its UX, at least where it stands now, is going to hold it back from ever challenging youtube. I use youtube a lot, and for a huge range of topics. I don't have any interest in creating an account on a niche-specific instance and I think the average user who doesn't even understand what federalization does even less. However, I literally don't even understand how to make an a…
The interface on that go-to instance is quite slow. The infinite scroll takes a few seconds every scroll to catch up.
Also the actual content there seems lacking. Lots of non-English content (would it not be better to have some language filter?) and further down feet-tickling and NSFW videos...
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personalized (as in per user) and anonymized are not mutually exclusive.
Sure, but non-anonymized personalized data still provides a competitive advantage.
I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users. I.e., this user on Google Search and this user on Google Maps are the same person. I agree that this is a competitive advantage, because, in the same vein, it gives the platform owners more data. Technically, anonymized cross-platform-linked data is conceivable.
I think if the legislation ball ever gets rolling two things we're likely to see, because they're low-hanging fruit, are the end of mass tracking on the internet and a meaningful shift in who controls the data gathered.
I can imagine a platform akin to internet banking where you manage your data and its usage.
Something I'd love to see is a "publication" of big-data algorithms. A private entity designs the algorithm for profit and leases it and you run it in your (trusted) environment, owning both the input and output. Nothing leaks.
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#146I really want to like peertube but I think its UX, at least where it stands now, is going to hold it back from ever challenging youtube. I use youtube a lot, and for a huge range of topics. I don't have any interest in creating an account on a niche-specific instance and I think the average user who doesn't even understand what federalization does even less. However, I literally don't even understand how to make an a…
I don't quite like this way of "decentralization". If I understand it correctly, you have to pick up a provider to make an account. And then other providers can somehow link your provider seamlessly. Nice, but if my provider shuts down, all my videos and my account are lost, are they not? Why can't we simply have globe-scale storage with many replicas, with every provider hosting some files of others? That would be true decentralization, similar to how torrent is decentralized. Maybe the whole process of scheduling and routing is hard to design...
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
BitTorrent? For a while it was consuming a large fraction of the public internet bandwidth worldwide. This might still be the case. Although paid streaming has certainly taken a chunk out of its market share, there remain to be many things that can't be had on the big streaming providers. For that, there is always the p2p system with the deepest content selection :)
"successful server-based peer-to-peer" - it's certainly P2P, but I thought the whole point of Bittorrent was to avoid needing servers?
Doesn't that also disqualify most cryptocurrencies?
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#148Went on https://peertube.video/ and immediately got a bunch of porn. Not really sure from a consumer aspect this is yet fully there from a UX perspective! But the tech is really interesting and as a federated alternative I could see it doing really well. Best of luck to the team!
Anyone can start an instance and post whatever they want. Just because it has "peertube" in the URL doesn't mean it's an "official" instance or anything like that.
Sounds like centralisation to me! No more open than making a WordPress blog. Am I wrong?
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but non-anonymized personalized data still provides a competitive advantage.
I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users. I.e., this user on Google Search and this user on Google Maps are the same person. I agree that this is a competitive advantage, because, in the same vein, it gives the platform owners more data. Technically, anonymized cross-platform-linked data is conceivable. I think if the legislation ball ever gets rolling two things we're likely to…
>I'd say the use for personal identification is cross-platform linking of users.
Its "this person watched this, so they would also be interested in this video and this ad." You can't make this anonymous and near as useful, and it is currently YouTube and Google's premium money maker.
Most other data is already available with a little work, providing the data you describe doesn't help competition that much.
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#150The peer-to-peer storage and sharing of video files isn't the hard part: it's the ability to search for and discover content that makes YouTube compelling in my opinion. Are any of these p2p YouTube replacements presenting a compelling way to search/discover content in a distributed way? Or if the search index is centralized, do any of them have a compelling model for staying funded without selling everyone's search/…
> Are any of these p2p YouTube replacements presenting a compelling way to search/discover content in a distributed way? Being "distributed" over p2p/federated architecture opposes the end-user convenience of search/discovery/ranking/recommendations because of speed-of-light limitations. I wrote a previous comment about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17578332 Also, the previous last reply by posting2fast…
> Being "distributed" over p2p/federated architecture opposes the end-user convenience of search/discovery/ranking/recommendations because of speed-of-light limitations.
Speed of light is not the bottleneck in reaching 1000ms search response time anywhere on earth. Calling it a speed-of-light limitation does a disservice to your point, which really is that querying many peers for search results is slow, for reasons that have nothing to do with the speed of light.
> E.g. the central index of metadata says "www.johndoehomeserver.com" has a tutorial video for Algebra but when you actually stream the video from "johndoehomeserver.com", you get a spam video for Viagra instead of math instruction.
That some video content may not reflect its supposed category or title is not a new problem, is it?