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Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by quelltext »

dredmorbius wrote: post #99
quelltext wrote: post #21

For fuck's sake, if you need to be swearing (and I don't think it's necessary at all), just use the actual words.

I often do. I've been (occasionally) experimenting with slight bowderilisation. For better or worse, less swearing tends to go over slightly better. I can assure you the feeling was there in the original. My general administrative announcement (NSFW langauge): https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/dlz9c2z6x-tvkd7rxtxwpw https://mastodon.cloud/@dredmorbius/100521241625879766

Thing is I felt distracted by the amount of swearing, and the fake swears just exaggerated that. I don't care about the swearing in principle, it just felt misplaced in your article, in particular in this censored form.

Swearing helps convey frustration etc. and I guess that's what you were going for, but it doesn't actually work for me (as the reader) in all cases and in particular when it's "redacted".

Not that my opinion matters. I didn't intend this comment to be taken as serious discussion item and maybe I should have just not commented.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by heymijo »

flyinghamster wrote: post #18
buboard wrote: post #3

Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…

Incessant hamburgerization is something that I also find annoying. Any time I have to set up Firefox, the very first thing I do is enable the menu bar. My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!

Good god, and I'm over here living like a plebe thinking I had to just deal with the hamburger.

Thank you to the poster below for the "alt" shortcut and for reminding me I can change the settings!

I don't have a problem with the concept of the hamburger except what they put in it is less useful than the menu bar.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by tsimionescu »

zozbot234 wrote: post #87
jacobsenscott wrote: post #53

I'm old enough that I started out building desktop apps with native widgets. You had consistent, easy to use UIs, and they were pretty much the same no matter what application you where in. Building the UI was considered they easy part. You could even draw the thing with drawing tools! Since the native widgets were designed by people who spend all day thinking about UI, user testing UI, etc everything pretty much jus…

> There's no such thing as "native widgets" in a web app. HTML form elements are essentially "native" widgets, if only native to the browser. The problem with them is that older browsers lack support for many desirable widgets (e.g. calendar date entry), so some "UI-building" work is still needed.

Html form elements are laughably limited if you want to make an app - despite the years of using the web for apps, HTML+CSS is still only really usable for document-like pages.

This is not necessarily a bad thing, mind, there is something to be said about how huge browsers are becoming, and shipping a full widget toolkit would bloat that up even more.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by Romanulus »

buboard wrote: post #3

Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…

This is fallout with the idea of "mobile-first" development... while I get that it caters to a larger demographic, it is blinded by its own crapulence in regards to _functional_ UI/UX.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by amelius »

svnpenn wrote: post #78
city41 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.

Man that page is garbage. With JavaScript disabled, you get a big white page of nothing. Not to mention the full screen menu as was mentioned.

They probably designed it to work on the CEO's tablet and called it a day.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by joshstrange »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #113
joshstrange wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't help you on mobile but this is user configurable on macOS: https://imgur.com/kXDDjnF

I've only started using a mac recently and this drove me mad. Thank you for making my life 5% better kind stranger!

You're very welcome! Since you are a new mac user you might also be interested in the list of Mac Apps I use [0]. Also if you don't use a magic mouse/apple mouse scroll can be jerky and annoying. For my gaming mouse I use Smooze [1] to help smooth out scrolling.

[0] https://joshstrange.com/my-mac-apps/

[1] https://smooze.co/

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by dredmorbius »

cronix wrote: post #103

...and hijacking scroll behavior. Please stop that and just use the defaults, like everyone expects. I'm tired of getting to a site and having it scroll pages at a time when it should just scroll a few lines. And then trying to get back to the correct spot is a pain. Who does this stuff and why do you think it's necessary? What problem do you think you are solving by doing this? I just hit the back button. I'm not go…

NLM's remapping of vertical to horizontal scrolling is absolutely maddening.

When I indicate an up/down movement on a page, I expect the page to move top-to-bottom. And absolutely NOT left-to-right.

I instantly switch to the "classic" view, though disabling JS on the site has the added benefit of "breaking" the dysfunctional mode.

Any other remapping of scroll behaviour is also annoying as flipping heck.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4669363/

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by airstrike »

eropple wrote: post #129
JohnFen wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always turn on the menu bar on the desktop. Screen real estate is valuable, but using some on a menu bar is a very worthwhile expenditure, in my opinion. I know about the "Alt" key, but I find the need to press that to pop up the menu to be incredibly annoying.

I'm super curious--how often do you actually use the menu and what do you use it for? I ask because I literally can't remember the last time I did in Firefox; everything's a keyboard shortcut. Fullscreen is F11, inspector is F12, refresh is F5 (even go-to-URL-bar is F6).

go-to-URL-bar is also Ctrl+L which I tend to favor, for some reason

Also I miss typing ".." in the URL bar to go to my home page (I'll admit this was an iexplore quirk, albeit a really convenient one...)

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