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Re: Soli

#141

Those growing up with Remote Controls of the kind: https://i.imgur.com/AIqz63k.jpg After a few days, the user develops a muscle memory of sorts. User doesn't even have to look at the controller and all actions (and feedback) are executed through the tactile interface. From cockpits to nuclear power plants to home tv remote control, there is absolutely nothing that replaces physical buttons, encoders, sliders and togg…

> From cockpits to nuclear power plants to home tv remote control, there is absolutely nothing that replaces physical buttons, encoders, sliders and toggles.

My anecdote/complaint related to this. My previous car had knobs, sliders, and just a few well-positioned buttons for the radio and HVAC controls. A very classic arrangement that I got along with just fine.

However, about three years ago, I bought a 3rd-gen Prius. Everything about the car is lovely except for the godawful interior controls. Evidence: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/44/a6/8244a6c6662a354dc7ba...

I mean, I get that they were going for a Star Trek: TNG vibe with the whole thing but they totally let form ravish function in this case. _Everything_ is a button, none of the buttons line up, none have tactile feedback to tell you what you're about to press. There are buttons that pretty much never get used, there are _fake_ blank buttons, there are things which never should have been buttons in the first place.

The HVAC controls are particularly bad:

- Except for some little bumps, there is no tactile feedback anywhere around them, so there is no way to use any of the buttons without looking at them first. Which means taking your eyes off the road to change anything. - If you want to make drastic changes to the air temperature, you have to push the button several dozen times _all while watching the display_. On traditional HVAC controls, this job is just quick twist of a knob or push of a lever, neither of which is a great risk to your life. - If you want to change which vents the air is coming out of, you have to cycle through several different options with a single button. Once you've located it, that is. And I _always_ shoot past the one I actually want, which leads to more button pushing, swearing and taking my eyes off the road for _even longer_. - Depending on the configuration, outside temperature, and phase of the moon, the car will automatically decide whether to use interior air or exterior air for the intake. I _always_ have to _constantly_ check visually to make sure the HVAC is configured the way I want it because I can't trust that the car didn't change it for me. - Also the AC will be on whenever the defrost vents are, even though the AC light never comes on. - There is a button on the HVAC panel whose _only purpose_ is the switch the air intake to interior and crank up the fan to 100% for 30 seconds or so. I guess this is the "fart remover" function. I have never seen this on any other car, maybe it's a Japanese thing. - There is a button to turn the ventilation fan off, but not on. You turn on the fan by increasing the fan speed. So if you have the fan running on, say, fan speed 3, and want to turn it off momentarily and then go back to what it was, well, you just can't.

The _only_ knobs on the whole car are at the top of the radio. The are impossible to reach without leaning forward, they are small, and they are stiff. If not for these flaws, the volume knob could be useful but the other knob is the 'tuning' knob which has essentially no purpose in 2019. The few among us who actually still listen to FM radio find their stations via the Seek buttons and program their stations to memory if desired.

And finally, the button to engage the hazard lights is at the _bottom_ of the console within easy reach of passengers, kids, your resting hand, etc. Right where something more useful (and less obnoxious) could be.

/rant

Re: Soli

#142

>Motion Sense will be available in select countries. Just...why? What is the point of region locking this? It's only hardware, isn't it?

Google does love pointless region locking but this is probably due to RF certification requirements from each country's equivalent to the FCC.

Re: Soli

#143
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How is Soli any different? I know that if I put my hand in this spot and make the motion of turning a dial then it will turn down the volume, and I can hear the volume go down as I do it, whats the difference? Or if I tap the air in a specific way, get an audible tap noise, and know I've completed a preset action (index finger tap = set timer for 5 minutes) its the exact same thing. How is sound feedback not as good?…

Hypothetical scenario: User pays the initial cost of engagement - Atleast 2 seconds to unlock the phone. After that, all actions user performs are in the "Engaged State". Imagine if you have to press a button every 3 mins but you have to pay the 2 second cost of unlocking the phone, searching for the button(which can be memorized) and then getting visual/sound feedback. Compare this with a Remote Control that is sitt…

On my current phone I don't have to unlock it to do media controls. I'm not sure why you'd expect anything different with Soli. Also from what I'm aware of, the phone unlocks extremely quickly. Reporters saying (partially because of Soli) that they barely see the lockscreen if picking up the phone.

Re: Soli

#144
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What was modal about the remote? Switching between TV/display/audio while the main set stays the same?

Yeah. The same buttons do different things, but what they'll do depends which mode you've got selected. If you remember the remotes where it blinks an LED under the selected mode (tv/aux/DVD/whatever) as you're giving input with other buttons, that's a helpful reference.

Ahha good call.

Re: Soli

#145
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Or prevent a show from being screened to more than two people! Imagine how many missed royalties can now be collected! With Google Pay integration, the user can even be charged automatically to avoid the inconvenience of having to apply for a screening license.

I know you are joking, but I am pretty sure this was a patent Microsoft filed in conjunction with Kinect. I could be wrong about if it was Microsoft or not, but it was definitely about a camera noticing how many people were watching a digital product/ad.

It was Microsoft.

Re: Soli

#146
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Not sure what to think about it. Seems awesome at first glance but then the examples are skipping songs and hand waving pokemons. Feels a lot like a solution looking for a problem.

The main thing it's used for anticipating your movement for face unlock. This makes face unlock a bit faster on the Pixel than on the iPhone.

Although that's a lot of tech for such a minor thing.

Re: Soli

#147

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Seems like being able to detect eye attention would solve the midas problem -- if you aren't looking at it, it doesn't do anything?

That would be great, but can radar really tell what you are looking at? I suppose could combine it with a camera but that sounds less than ideal in terms of energy use. (I know very little about any of this)

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Re: Soli

#148

>Motion Sense will be available in select countries. Just...why? What is the point of region locking this? It's only hardware, isn't it?

The 60Ghz band isn't legal to use in every country

Re: Soli

#149

Those growing up with Remote Controls of the kind: https://i.imgur.com/AIqz63k.jpg After a few days, the user develops a muscle memory of sorts. User doesn't even have to look at the controller and all actions (and feedback) are executed through the tactile interface. From cockpits to nuclear power plants to home tv remote control, there is absolutely nothing that replaces physical buttons, encoders, sliders and togg…

>there is absolutely nothing that replaces physical buttons, encoders, sliders and toggles Even space, versatility, & cost aside, there are definitely tasks that a touch screen does better. Using a map with a touch screen is incredibly intuitive compared to a mouse. (I cannot imagine using sliders or other "physical" interfaces) >A physical button guarantees that the action was performed by the means of feedback So y…

I suppose Tinder-style rapid decision apps might excel with a touch screen. Infinite scrollable timelines are certainly built for touchscreens, though I can’t think the last time I asked for one....

99% of the time the reason I put up with touch screens is so I don’t have to sit at my desk.

Re: Soli

#150

I recently showed some videos of Soli in the HCI class I teach. Students immediately hit upon the two major issues I wanted to discuss (I was pretty proud!). The first is learnability. A big problem with gestures is that there is no clear affordance as to what kinds of gestures you can do, or any clear feedback. For feedback, one could couple Soli's input with a visual display, but at that point, it's not clear if th…

Seems like being able to detect eye attention would solve the midas problem -- if you aren't looking at it, it doesn't do anything?

That kind of defeats the benefit, doesn't it?

The nicest thing about physical buttons in say a car is that I don't have to look at it to know what I'm doing.

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