> * and it’s privacy message seemed to resonate with users*
> While... but...
Is there a copy editor at Wired?
DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
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Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#142Is the whole privacy on search thing really a big issue? I, for one, want Google to be all Orwellian on me because it will mean better search results. I had a scenario like this a few days ago when I googled for "fabric" -- Being a Python developer I was looking for http://fabfile.org and it shows up as the second result while logged in. If I'm not, it won't show up. This may be the outlier state of mind on HN, but I…
So you seriously want to give up your privacy (and ours as well) to save you typing one freaking word (python)? That's lazy to the point of being offensive.
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
An ad that says "Google, Bing, Yahoo all do bad thing X. Our search engine that you never heard of before this ad does not!", one response in the readers mind might be "If all the ones I heard of do X, maybe it isn't bad". If an ad is going to mention competitors, it is best to just name one competitor in cases like this, where the reader might not have heard of you before. If the market is more even, mentioning othe…
>one response in the readers mind might be "If all the ones I heard of do X, maybe it isn't bad" Somehow I doubt a reader can frame what donttrack.us says in a good light if you also include Bing and Yahoo. It talks about shady employees, getting hacked, people finding out you have herpes, etc. >If the market is more even, mentioning others might be OK >it would be OK for them to name the Toyota RAV4 and Subaru Fores…
He spoke about a situation where the customer hasn't heard of you (DuckDuckGo in this case).
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't mean Google couldn't or shouldn't prevent the browser from doing it. When this all started, no one envisioned ad networks and data companies aggregating all this personal information, or even that search terms would be a central part of the Internet. So now that we know what is going on, why allow this personal information to leak? As far as I can tell, the only reason is so Webmasters can do better at G…
"And that reason can be wholly mitigated through the use of Google's Webmaster Tools." No, Google's webmaster tools only provide a sampling of the data. We used to provide info for only 100 queries. Now we provide it for more queries, but it's still a sample: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/more-data... Please don't make the argument that the data in our webmaster console is equivalent to the data…
Hi Matt. Is there any technical reason why that tool can't provide full information? Clearly Google isn't opposed to not sending referrer data, given the existence of https search, but doesn't DDG have a point about third parties having access to the referrer data? (Full disclosure: I wrote this article)
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are they passing on search terms for previous searches or just the current search? In your (frankly terrifying) example, would the site have had to have ranked for "naked bieber pics", showing up in the results and then you click it to pull the search terms? Because that would seem to be pretty innocuous.
Just the current search, but the problem is millions of pages run third-party ads, and most are run by very few networks. These ad networks can aggregate the terms and then they have previous searches as well.
Doesn't Incognito browsing, like present in Chrome, remedy all these worries?
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#146I'm surprised he's only paying $7000 to put up a massive billboard next to a major consumer route for a month. I'm sure billboard advertising doesn't have great conversion rates, but I still imagined that would cost more. Anyone care to comment on their experiences with billboard ads?
Consumer Watchdog paid to put their message up on a Jumbotron in Times Square: http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchiang/2010/09/02/consumer-wat... That article says they paid $25000 for their cartoon that tried to make Eric Schmidt look creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouof1OzhL8k
And as you know, I made it clear that I thought Consumer Watchdog went way over the line and made unfair claims. I don't see this with DDG and its campaign. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/09/in-defense-of-google/
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#147I'm all for a good story, and the one-man DDG going up against Google is certainly a great one. However, considering the number of armchair business analysts on HN I'm shocked that nobody seems to call out Gabriel for appearing to fall into a cliched trap: "we don't track you" isn't a product, it's a feature. I genuinely wonder what DDG would do if Google simply addressed all of their referrer privacy issues. Then wh…
Privacy is just but one aspect of DuckDuckGo: http://duckduckgo.com/about.html http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html I spend the vast majority of my time improving the search experience. I would welcome you trying it for a week and giving me your feedback! I would love it if Google reacted to this by stopping this search leakage.
Deal!
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Consumer Watchdog paid to put their message up on a Jumbotron in Times Square: http://blogs.forbes.com/oliverchiang/2010/09/02/consumer-wat... That article says they paid $25000 for their cartoon that tried to make Eric Schmidt look creepy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouof1OzhL8k
And as you know, I made it clear that I thought Consumer Watchdog went way over the line and made unfair claims. I don't see this with DDG and its campaign. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/09/in-defense-of-google/
Yea, I remember reading that it was likely paid by Microsoft.
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
The browser does it, and did it long before Google existed.
I'm curious if it's possible to write a Firefox plugin that would block the HTTP-REFERRER header for certain sites.
RefControl
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/refcontrol/
I'm using it since years and I don't understand all that referrer-privacy hype. Just don't send the referrer.
Re: DuckDuckGo Challenges Google on Privacy (With a Billboard in San Francisco)
#150I understand the privacy concerns, but not the FUD about the referrer. Just turn it off and you're done! There's even a Firefox addon that allows site-specific settings.
RefControl https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/refcontrol/
I've been using it for years.