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Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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IMHO, the hinged - but separate - displays are a much better idea than the Samsung foldable display. At least for now. I don't think the reliability of a truly foldable display (e.g. Samsung's Galaxy Fold) will be very good until another couple versions of generational improvements.

Maybe they should go with two glass panels and the foldable display over the hinge. If you have a setting to disable the delicate hinge display when it inevitably breaks it gracefully downgrades to this Duo experience.

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Between this and the Samsung Fold it feels like we have entered into the netbook (form factor) era* void. We're past peak smartphone development and are in this space where manufacturers are stumbling around for the next "it" device but creating nothing that is truly revolutionary. Yes, there are "some" use cases where a larger screen on my mobile device would be useful…. But by-and-large I still want it to fit in my…

I think the future is less/no screen. Typing on these folding phones seems like a worse experience. Typing at all isn't really natural, and neither is staring at planar, glowing glass. I think the future is conversational computing. I don't own an Alexa/HomePod/etc (yet... maybe some open source on prem thing at some point), but I think that's where the puck is moving. It's just that today their capabilities are some…

I comute every day early in the morning by train. I would shoot the ones who start interacting with their devices per voice.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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Strongly disagree with this. As someone who does own a number of Google Home devices at home and uses Siri on my phone... voice is a terrible interface. For one, there is zero discoverability. I can ask Google today's weather. I can ask tomorrow's weather. I cannot ask yesterday's weather. Leaving aside why that would be (I would find it useful to know that it's X degrees hotter/cooler than yesterday) there's no way…

We definitely agree that voice interfaces are very rudimentary today. I try to run lots of things through dictation first that normally I would type out with my thumbs on the smartphone or on a keyboard on my computer. Text messages, search terms, commit messages, Slack conversations. Still, it can't perform very basic tasks like changing or backspacing a word or phrase, either because it misheard it or because you w…

> Certainly there are many ways you could talk to someone about a menu: what kinds of dishes are there? Appetizers, grilled entrees, pasta, salads, desserts. What kind of entrees? Vegetarian, pork, beef, seafood. OK, but what styles of cuisine? Jamaican, Italian, Szechuan. There's probably an analog to the 5 Why's for figuring out what someone wants to eat!

To me this is the core of why voice interfaces will always be inferior. In the time it would take that voice conversation to happen I would have been able to scan a menu a dozen times over. Our brains are incredibly adept at picking out visual details - identifying the headers that note each section of the menu, picking out key words that may interest us and so on. There is no technological improvement that will help a voice interface rival that.

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Google introduced project Treble in Android O and P to allow Android to work against a HAL to basically decouple the underlying Linux Kernel and drivers from the over arching Android Framework. There was speculation that this would enable Google to swap out the Linux Kernel for Fuschia when it becomes available. The Windows NT Kernel has had a HAL and the ability to do this since it's inception in the 90s. Microsoft…

Best mad theory I've seen in a while.

It's not a theory, it is well known fact that first versions of WSL were developed for running Android apps on Windows RT

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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Between this and the Samsung Fold it feels like we have entered into the netbook (form factor) era* void. We're past peak smartphone development and are in this space where manufacturers are stumbling around for the next "it" device but creating nothing that is truly revolutionary. Yes, there are "some" use cases where a larger screen on my mobile device would be useful…. But by-and-large I still want it to fit in my…

I think the next computing platform gamble is AR. Facebook is working on building out the tech via VR, but with an eye to AR and generally out in the open. Apple is building out the underlying software support while working on some AR hardware in secret. Microsoft has their enterprise hardware, but not sure what they're thinking about otherwise. Using the phone as a computing device that powers a visual digital AR la…

"Microsoft has their enterprise hardware, but not sure what they're thinking about otherwise."

Do you consider the hololens exclusively enterprise?

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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We definitely agree that voice interfaces are very rudimentary today. I try to run lots of things through dictation first that normally I would type out with my thumbs on the smartphone or on a keyboard on my computer. Text messages, search terms, commit messages, Slack conversations. Still, it can't perform very basic tasks like changing or backspacing a word or phrase, either because it misheard it or because you w…

> Certainly there are many ways you could talk to someone about a menu: what kinds of dishes are there? Appetizers, grilled entrees, pasta, salads, desserts. What kind of entrees? Vegetarian, pork, beef, seafood. OK, but what styles of cuisine? Jamaican, Italian, Szechuan. There's probably an analog to the 5 Why's for figuring out what someone wants to eat! To me this is the core of why voice interfaces will always b…

Have you ever watched a person with vision challenges using VoiceOver with the speed cranked up? I bet they could absorb the info they need to know about a menu before the average reader could, even before any hierarchical organization is exposed to the text-to-speech process. The visual hierarchical and keyword navigation you describe is just what I'm talking about with a voice interface, too.

Just yesterday a colleague I was pairing with was VoiceOvering JSON packed with API keys and stack traces. I, conversely, have many times stood with the fridge door open trying to find something that was plainly front and center. Of course, the answer for many things may be a combination of both hearing and vision.

I also wonder if this easily navigable menu you are thinking of is already cognitively mapped in your mind, and you know what to look for. What if the menu is in a foreign or second language, that the voice assistant could translate for you? Or is a completely foreign-to-you cuisine, or just creatively organized in a way you aren't used to, like by seasonality, emotion or geography? I've sat and stared at some dense menus, that I've had to reread multiple times to remember just a subset of the items. In the end I asked the waiter something like in my example: "something with shrimp" or "what do you like?"

I'm not so sure about the things you say will never or always be, and I don't even consider myself an optimist. Finally, thanks for taking this ride with me, it's definitely made me consider more things!

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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I think the next computing platform gamble is AR. Facebook is working on building out the tech via VR, but with an eye to AR and generally out in the open. Apple is building out the underlying software support while working on some AR hardware in secret. Microsoft has their enterprise hardware, but not sure what they're thinking about otherwise. Using the phone as a computing device that powers a visual digital AR la…

"Microsoft has their enterprise hardware, but not sure what they're thinking about otherwise." Do you consider the hololens exclusively enterprise?

Yeah - is that not the case?

There’s also magic leap, but I found their hardware pretty disappointing and I’d be surprised if they survive to actually be a serious player in AR platforms.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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Good luck. It's not shipping until "Holiday 2020"... if ever. Announcing products like this should be reported on as an embarrassment for the companies that do it.

I guess Microsoft just wants to give developers enough time to adapt their applications to this new platform.

Except I'd have no idea how much time I had. When is "holidays"?

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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Between this and the Samsung Fold it feels like we have entered into the netbook (form factor) era* void. We're past peak smartphone development and are in this space where manufacturers are stumbling around for the next "it" device but creating nothing that is truly revolutionary. Yes, there are "some" use cases where a larger screen on my mobile device would be useful…. But by-and-large I still want it to fit in my…

This device’s whole point would be outside of the “we” point of view.

In general “we” don’t need a revolution of the current form factor. A sizeable portion of users have stopped upgrading and wait for their current phone to be dead, some are already clamoring for less, going back to iPhoneSE like phones.

I think the duo is not targeting the “we”, but way more specific user niches who have non generic goals and are not happy with even the bigger phones we have now. These people could be enough to float a product line, even if it doesn’t fish the other 90% of the users and their dogs.

I’d compare it to the Surface Studio, which was never expected to be a general public device as well.

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Chromebooks are an US specific phenomenon, hardly seen anywhere else in the world.

They're all over public schools where I live.

That being?

They are almost nowhere to be seen across European consumer electronic shops.

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