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Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by Bost »

kldsksdkl wrote: post #76
dragonsh wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally for me spacemacs is bit slower in startup for my liking, so I use my own custom configuration. It's just lisp at the end of the day. Also for people who prefer emacs keys instead of vi, they can start with emacs-prelude package. But it will be hard to beat custom configuration in long run.

You can also have emacs run as a daemon(1). That way you never have to wait. 1 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Emacs#As_a_daemon

There's the promise of faster Emacs (https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs written in Guile Scheme.) But it has 2 main problems: A) it's apparently stalled and B) not even it's supposedly known-good commit is compilable... :-(

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by honkycat »

wikibob wrote: post #139
OhSoHumble wrote: post #113

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I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

What do you suggest instead? Is there a nice how-to for setting up emacs with evil mode and a reasonable set of defaults that don’t require endless tweaking?

Doom emacs is great and way faster.

https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by ravar »

wikibob wrote: post #139
OhSoHumble wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

What do you suggest instead? Is there a nice how-to for setting up emacs with evil mode and a reasonable set of defaults that don’t require endless tweaking?

set capslock to ctrl and don't use any modal stuff. Also I use avy, bound to C-j, for navigation within the buffer.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by OhSoHumble »

wikibob wrote: post #139
OhSoHumble wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

What do you suggest instead? Is there a nice how-to for setting up emacs with evil mode and a reasonable set of defaults that don’t require endless tweaking?

I don't really have a suggestion, to be honest. I've only used Emacs within the context of Spacemacs and don't know of a better alternative. Maybe sometime later in my life I'll look at what Emacs looks like without Spacemacs. I've been putting that off because I haven't really learned elisp and I don't know if it's actually possible to have a more flushed out and polished emacs experience without being an elisp master.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by m463 »

dragonsh wrote: post #46
nickysielicki wrote: post #24

I'm sick of managing 5-6 different installs of language server protocol servers. A couple are installed with my package manager (clangd), some are installed with pip (pyls), some I just have symlinked into ~/.local/bin (microsoft/python-language-server). It's overly difficult to get right. If anyone is aware of a better way, especially for emacs users, I'd appreciate it. Is this something where docker or snapd might…

For python just use Elpy [1] or anaconda-mode. Microsoft Language Server is nice but use it for things you can not find a package in elpa or melpa. Obviously you can use emacs-prelude [2] or spacemacs [3] in the beginning and as you get familiar write your own init.el or packages to make it work the way you want. I have yet to see anything like tramp allowing seemless work on file over ssh, org-mode, ledger-mode, ERC…

tramp is the best and well worth knowing.

It is basically emacs over ssh (although there are more possibilities)

You can install emacs on one machine, then use tramp for all the rest.

It's also great for machines that can't run emacs, for example you can edit config files on iot devices.

Other interesting things: picture mode, artist mode, pong, fireplace.

my tip for the day:

  (global-set-key "\M-+" 'text-scale-increase)
  (global-set-key "\M--" 'text-scale-decrease)
  (global-set-key "\M-=" (lambda () (interactive) (text-scale-set 0)))

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by opan »

OhSoHumble wrote: post #113
smitty1e wrote: post #56

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http://spacemacs.org/ with its org-mode and magit ( https://magit.vc/ ) integration, combined with the modal editing of vi, is truly superior. Don't care about your platform, desktop (I'm typically working over SSH in the cloud, so why bother?) or any of that hooplah. Just waiting for everybody else to catch up.

I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

I've had a similar, although not as extremely bad, experience to you. It does make the project look bad, but I've actually run into this issue with lots of stuff where "stable" is horrendous to use (Debian) and gives the whole project a bad name. I wouldn't mind recommending spacemacs to a friend around my age, but I guess the issue of having to be on develop is something that would make me hesitant to recommend it to my parents (something I've genuinely considered, by the way).

I also frequently wonder how I'd introduce spacemacs to someone who hasn't used vim or emacs... I used vim for a very long time, so to me it's great that my knowledge carries over. I just don't know if it makes complete sense to say to someone "vim has better bindings than emacs, so even though this is emacs, you should learn these vim binds". Plus then they should probably still know at least the basics of emacs for screens where evil fails you, or for if they ever have to use emacs on another machine, or for when an emacs bind is better ("C-x h" seems better than ggVG to me).

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by opan »

davepeck wrote: post #100
Phenix88be wrote: post #72

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> Personally for me spacemacs is bit slower in startup for my liking I have see this many times and never understood how startup time could be an issue. I startup Spacemacs at the beginning of the day, and close it when I leave. 10 second of startup time is nothing.

I've noticed a divide between the workflows of emacs and vim users and I think it ties directly back to startup times. I'm an emacs user and, like you, I start it up once and keep it running indefinitely. Vim users tend to enter and exit the editor repeatedly during the day, typically alternating with their shell of choice.

I would say this is largely true in practice, although when I found out that vim could have multiple buffers, windows, tabs, and that you could save session files, I suddenly was keeping vim open for many hours and opening new files in my existing instance. I would say a lot of people learn vim in a hurry and don't go far beyond the basics.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by opan »

nickysielicki wrote: post #24

I'm sick of managing 5-6 different installs of language server protocol servers. A couple are installed with my package manager (clangd), some are installed with pip (pyls), some I just have symlinked into ~/.local/bin (microsoft/python-language-server). It's overly difficult to get right. If anyone is aware of a better way, especially for emacs users, I'd appreciate it. Is this something where docker or snapd might…

Guix or Nix should be able to handle a problem like this. They can handle normal OS packages, emacs packages, python packages, etc. Hard to say which one you should try. Maybe search the package lists on both sites to see if they have everything you need packaged already. Nix has more total packages, but Guix has a lot of emacs users.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by masukomi »

opan wrote: post #146
OhSoHumble wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

I've had a similar, although not as extremely bad, experience to you. It does make the project look bad, but I've actually run into this issue with lots of stuff where "stable" is horrendous to use (Debian) and gives the whole project a bad name. I wouldn't mind recommending spacemacs to a friend around my age, but I guess the issue of having to be on develop is something that would make me hesitant to recommend it t…

as a vim user, I'd have to say no... don't recommend it to vim users. There have been, for me, too many edge cases where I just end up in that helm(?) display thing at the bottom when I was trying to do some simple thing. For ages :edit and :write and :quit didn't work. As the parent poster mentioned the installation doesn't work. You really have to be willing to work for it. I've commented about the incorrect docs and the need to tweak things to make it use insecure downloads and they seem content with the idea that there's a known workaround, that isn't mentioned in the docs.

i really _want_ to use it. I love vim's modal editing, but extending vim is a pain in the butt, and I'd love to use lisp to tweak my editor.

But, I absolutely can not recommend spacemacs right now.

Installation process is broken crap (at least on the mac) and you end up having to deal with meta-this-that-the-other way too often for simple (non-advanced) vim commands.

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