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Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by Freak_NL »

wolfgke wrote: post #139
Freak_NL wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is fine, but it doesn't answer the question how Librem is purportedly solving that problem.

> That is fine, but it doesn't answer the question how Librem is purportedly solving that problem. By not supporting WhatsApp, it forces the user to solve the problem that he/she makes a very bad decision with respect to his/her privacy.

I fully support that approach, but this effectively means accepting that the majority uses a tool you cannot or will not use. Librem is never going to be in a position with sufficient market share to counter the network effect of WhatsApp in countries that are hooked on it.

Hence my question in response to gregknicholson's statement:

>> This is one of the problems the Librem 5 is designed to solve.

> How?

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by tortasaur »

wolfgke wrote: post #130
maccard wrote: post #121

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My office requires 2fa login. You can set up text notifications but all our documentation mentions smartphone apps. My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available. My credit card is app only. Parking in my city is discounted using their app. Real time transport information (bus and taxi) is app only. It’s possible to do without but things are much less painful with a smart phone.

> My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available. Switch your bank.

Why? TOTP is the one form of 2FA I would want to be the only option, were I limited to one.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by ahartmetz »

Crinus wrote: post #140
wolfgke wrote: post #126

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> Quite right, but they still need enough buyers to stay in business, which looking how things in FOSS hardware and software business go, that isn't a guarantee. The problem rather is that many FOSS advocates are not willing to pay a multiple of the money (i.e. they do not put their money where their mouth is). If FOSS advocates were a very financially lucrative clientel, companies would care a lot more for them.

This is because the vast majority of "FOSS advocates" are really "i dont want to pay for stuff" advocates - or to put it differently, what they like is the "Free as in beer" with the "Free as in speech" being a convenient excuse that also allows them to be preachy about their choice despite its shortcomings.

All those people who work in IT / development etc and advocate FOSS, do you really think that they couldn't pay for commercial software if they wanted? I certainly could.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by wolfgke »

ahartmetz wrote: post #143
Crinus wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because the vast majority of "FOSS advocates" are really "i dont want to pay for stuff" advocates - or to put it differently, what they like is the "Free as in beer" with the "Free as in speech" being a convenient excuse that also allows them to be preachy about their choice despite its shortcomings.

All those people who work in IT / development etc and advocate FOSS, do you really think that they couldn't pay for commercial software if they wanted? I certainly could.

In other countries, the salaries in the IT/development sector are not that great.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by collyw »

noja wrote: post #26
kd3 wrote: post #11

Excellent talk. I can't wait for this phone (Librem 5) to be available. Only wish the specs were slightly better (higher screen rez for ex). But the privacy and security features more than make up for that.

I can't see it working unless they support WhatsApp and friends. No network effect means it will die. Unfortunately.

A collogue worked for Conaonical. Apparently they tried to build a Whatsapp client, but Whatsapp wouldn't let them and insisted they pay them a few million (can't remember the exact figure) to implement a client.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by hedora »

batoure wrote: post #128
jstanley wrote: post #49

Skip to 20:06 to see the first public images of the actual PCBs that are going to be going into phones! I'll still be flabbergasted if they actually manage to ship phones within the next 34 days, but they haven't yet admitted that the shipping date will have to change. EDIT: At the end, the speaker briefly tries to demo the devkit, only to find that it has inexplicably turned off, and she states "it's pretty hot -- p…

One of the things I have started to feel as I read their recent design posts is that the phone will ship but be described as in a basic dev state and not ready for consumer use. I have written and seen written several posts on twitter at purism that have consistently been replied to as recently as last week saying that pre-orders are still on track to ship before end of Q3. It makes me feel like the hardware is ready…

The same thing happened with Openmoko. Neither company focused on a single UI stack, and (last I checked with purism) instead shipped 3+ semi-working UI demos (gtk, qt and enlightenment).

If they focused on one stack, they’d be much more likely to ship solid product, which would lead to revenue. That would give them runway to build support for a bigger ecosystem.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by hedora »

ubercow13 wrote: post #107
alpaca128 wrote: post #52

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The Librem 5 isn't designed for people who use WhatsApp. Signal and some other actually private messengers should work as they already have official Linux clients. That said I currently don't plan on buying it, simply because right now I'm not heavily relying on the phone. It is however the first phone released in the last ~5 years that I'd call interesting and unique.

Signal's Linux client uses Electron. I wonder how well it will work on a resource-constrained phone.

Also, Linux signal was missing video chat support the last time I tried it.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by Crinus »

ahartmetz wrote: post #143
Crinus wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because the vast majority of "FOSS advocates" are really "i dont want to pay for stuff" advocates - or to put it differently, what they like is the "Free as in beer" with the "Free as in speech" being a convenient excuse that also allows them to be preachy about their choice despite its shortcomings.

All those people who work in IT / development etc and advocate FOSS, do you really think that they couldn't pay for commercial software if they wanted? I certainly could.

It isn't about "could" is about "would", notice that i wrote "i dont want to pay" not "i cannot pay". After all that money you save on buying XXX is money you can spend on something you actually value.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by lostgame »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #95
lostgame wrote: post #93

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Hey - not my cup of tea, either, as I said - but I am saying lumping Satanists and human sacrifice together is like lumping Muslims and terrorism together. Sure, it might happen, in only the most extreme cases, but it's certainly not the norm, and it makes people who try to take their faith seriously - even if, yes, LaVeyan Satanism is simply libertarian humanism combined with, quite honestly, a fairly weak system of…

I think the clearest distinguishing line that can be broadly drawn, is between followers of theistic and non-theistic Satanism. The latter do tend towards being the awfully nice people you've been describing, who are always making sure that everyone is fine in the mosh pit. The former, however, can conversely tend towards the type of person who is far too enthusiastic about the technical details of the blood gutters…

In my years of practicing Ceremonial Magick, in and out of various Orders, and my studies of Satanism, I have never met such people, would consider them an extreme rarity, and again, would draw the Musilms are terrorists parallel.

There are plenty of theistic Satanists I know who are also great people.

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