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The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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There is something heart warming about people making personal sacrifices to promote divirsity. "Here, take back some of the money you were using to pay for our travel and use it to bring in some female speakers" said the male speakers.

cancel the entire event and leave everyone with their plans in the air. tickets, hotels, trips, everything lost. that makes sense.

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Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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Men are encouraged to go into CS just because they are men. https://www.bustle.com/p/girls-still-arent-encouraged-to-go-...

Yet another silly feminist statistic, cleverly cropping context to make things look bad. This is about advisories given to 16 to 18 year old boys and girls. Does it seem possible that the advisors took the track record of the person they advise into account. Like for example their choices of subjects at school, their grades in Math, those sorts of things? And perhaps those aspects were more important in advising for…

Annoyingly, I can't find the study itself, even on the Internet Archive. I'm drawing on knowledge that I have about America and just used this to confirm that there's a similar bias in Europe. I can see how it would be less convincing if you don't have the same background info.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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to follow up on that: at the high end universities do make an effort to recruit clever kids from underprivileged backgrounds, and they implement programs to bring them up to speed; there are pre-freshmen programs, summer classes, supplement lectures, peer mentorship, &c pp. It actually works. That said, what is the focus on individual diversity good for? It's the system that holds people back, and as the parent poste…

high end universities do make an effort to recruit clever kids from underprivileged backgrounds I'll believe that when I see recruiters from high end universities out on the reservations in the US, but I guess imposters are easier.

Earlier the year the wife interviewed for a learning support position at an Ivy, and her hosts for lunch were two students who grew up and went to school in an Hispanic ghetto in LA.

I do not know how school outreach works, but she said they do manage to enculturate people quickly once they are on campus, and the summer programs are grueling for the participants. They include the social parts about fitting in.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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> we always struggled to get women from outside of Drupal to submit to that track, despite Drupal itself having a relatively large female population. We actively reached out to women both in the PHP community and local to the event and still sometimes had no submissions from women ^^ From the second link, blog post about a guy dropping out. I'm so lost. So this guy drops out because the organizers won't go to great l…

> Sadly from what the organizers told me they actively don't want to do outreach, and just let whoever wants to submit submit. > If they had tried and were unsuccessful I'd be more forgiving, but you need to at least try. And when multiple speakers offer to work with you to reduce costs so that you can at least try, that should be taken seriously. It sounds like he took issue with what he took as a complete lack of e…

I don't think anyone appreciates how goddamned difficult it is to run an organization, especially a volunteer one, well.

If you belong to a group, especially one that hosts events at least once a year, and you feel like it's run "adequately well", it's probably run better than 95% of the organizations out there. Head and shoulders above. You should take the time to thank the organizers for doing as well as they do. It's like being a member of the City Council, only you get paid even less (dollars or influence).

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #68

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> Sadly from what the organizers told me they actively don't want to do outreach, and just let whoever wants to submit submit. > If they had tried and were unsuccessful I'd be more forgiving, but you need to at least try. And when multiple speakers offer to work with you to reduce costs so that you can at least try, that should be taken seriously. It sounds like he took issue with what he took as a complete lack of e…

I don't think anyone appreciates how goddamned difficult it is to run an organization, especially a volunteer one, well. If you belong to a group, especially one that hosts events at least once a year, and you feel like it's run "adequately well", it's probably run better than 95% of the organizations out there. Head and shoulders above. You should take the time to thank the organizers for doing as well as they do. I…

At least 2 of the presenters have direct experience doing exactly this, they appreciate how hard it is and they also offered to help.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something heart warming about people making personal sacrifices to promote divirsity. "Here, take back some of the money you were using to pay for our travel and use it to bring in some female speakers" said the male speakers.

cancel the entire event and leave everyone with their plans in the air. tickets, hotels, trips, everything lost. that makes sense.

The organizers canceled the event. The presenters just canceled their talks.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #143

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Yet another silly feminist statistic, cleverly cropping context to make things look bad. This is about advisories given to 16 to 18 year old boys and girls. Does it seem possible that the advisors took the track record of the person they advise into account. Like for example their choices of subjects at school, their grades in Math, those sorts of things? And perhaps those aspects were more important in advising for…

Annoyingly, I can't find the study itself, even on the Internet Archive. I'm drawing on knowledge that I have about America and just used this to confirm that there's a similar bias in Europe. I can see how it would be less convincing if you don't have the same background info.

I don't know what background info you mean? You mean you already know that bias exists, from your experience in America, and that Europe study only confirms it?

How/what do you know about the situation in America? Tbh it seems more likely to me that US studies made the same "mistake". European feminists also like to copy methodology from US feminists.

However, if you have an article regarding the US, I will take a look.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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high end universities do make an effort to recruit clever kids from underprivileged backgrounds I'll believe that when I see recruiters from high end universities out on the reservations in the US, but I guess imposters are easier.

Earlier the year the wife interviewed for a learning support position at an Ivy, and her hosts for lunch were two students who grew up and went to school in an Hispanic ghetto in LA. I do not know how school outreach works, but she said they do manage to enculturate people quickly once they are on campus, and the summer programs are grueling for the participants. They include the social parts about fitting in.

A place in LA is a bit easier to get to then somewhere out where they put the reservations.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #147

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cancel the entire event and leave everyone with their plans in the air. tickets, hotels, trips, everything lost. that makes sense.

The organizers canceled the event. The presenters just canceled their talks.

because you can have the event without the scheduled talks. of course the event was going to be cancelled if main speakers don't attend
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