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Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by lokedhs »

Nextgrid wrote: post #140
lokedhs wrote: post #136

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I don't know why you suggest I'm unaware. I'm completely in agreement with you. You might have thought I was making excuses for them. On the contrary, they clearly never designed a system to delete data because the mere idea of actually deleting information associated with a user is so alien to them that they never even thought of it.

Apologies - I guess I was in the wrong state of mind when I read it yesterday as now it appears completely clear what you meant.

Actually, when I read my original message, I can see how it can be mistaken for making the opposite statement.

I usually try to be as clear as possible, but when it comes to that company I just don't see how anyone could be apologetic for them, so I never read my own post from that perspective.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by krn »

bubble_talk wrote: post #134
krn wrote: post #96

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Maybe the position of VP of AI at other FAANG companies was already taken, and there were no other alternatives at the similar level of prestige and compensation in the job market.

>>similar level of prestige Assuming this isn't sarcasm, this is how the word prestige is defined - "denoting something that arouses widespread respect or admiration". Facebook lied to ad buyers (customers) about video views https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/17/17989712/facebook-inaccu... Facebook lied to users about their spying app https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/03/02/facebook-... Facebook lied to regu…

> Assuming this isn't sarcasm, this is how the word prestige is defined - "denoting something that arouses widespread respect or admiration".

"Prestige" in terms of the scale of technical challenges that very few other companies can match at the moment. For many career-focused individuals that is the only thing that matters.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by bubble_talk »

pesenti wrote: post #138
bubble_talk wrote: post #79

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Since no one else has asked yet: You seem like a nice guy who could probably get a job elsewhere easily. Why are you still at FB?

I am at FB completely by choice as I don't need to work any longer. FB is an amazing company - best talent I have ever worked with combined with some of the most interesting challenges I have ever faced. And it gives you the means and autonomy to pursue really bold projects, like PyTorch. Yes it made some serious mistakes but it's genuinely trying to solve them. I know me just saying it won't convince you that it's t…

>>given the press and the way it's portrayed on HN

You forgot to add the most important reason which should be at the beginning of that sentence - track record.

And also, hiding important financial details e.g. the so called "friendly fraud" case is not a serious mistake, which implies that somehow it all "just happened" and could have "happened to anyone". It was deliberate, a lot of people were complicit, and it is exactly the kind of issue that crosses the fine line between what is merely a "serious mistake" and goes and sits squarely in the realm of "intentional, systematic and deliberate fraud" to pump up the company pre-IPO. And the fact that this came to light about 7-8 years after the actual incident suggests that we have only yet seen the tip of the iceberg on these kinds of issues.

But let us suppose you are actually right that it was just a "serious mistake".

My view is that right now there are a lot more shady things going on inside FB even as you come and write this.

"Well, how can you be so sure?" is what people generally ask. That's exactly what people who were defending FB were asking as early as 2016 on these forums. But over the last 2-3 years, the skeptics have been vindicated, and those folks who were previously defending FB are nowhere to be found on threads which discuss Facebook. As the saying goes - their silence is now deafening.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by lunchables »

cm2012 wrote: post #102
lunchables wrote: post #57

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Anyone still using Facebook at this point is insane or has some direct financial motivation to continue using it. I don't know what else people need to see to stop using it.

55% of the Americans use FB every single day of their lives.

Nearly 50% of the country voted for Donald Trump, too. I don't know what you think that suggests.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by lunchables »

agdpf wrote: post #73
lunchables wrote: post #57

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Anyone still using Facebook at this point is insane or has some direct financial motivation to continue using it. I don't know what else people need to see to stop using it.

Or they simply don't care about Facebook building a profile of them to show them ads because they are happy with the value they get from Facebook.

I think you overestimate how engaged and educated the average american is on what facebook does, and I say this as an american. I don't think most people made a conscious evaluation of the pros and cons of Facebook and the trade off between privacy and value. The vast majority don't know or care. I think the large number of people you see leaving Facebook are people who are more informed.

Re: Off-Facebook Activity

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Post by keatonb »

moju wrote: post #11
moneil971 wrote: post #8

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It’s rolled out in Ireland, South Korea and Spain to start, more countries are coming soon.

Not working in Ireland at the moment. Reactivated my account to check.

Any luck now? I've yet to find anyone actually using the feature and I'm curious what type of browsing data the tool will actually expose.
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