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Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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"Your app has been removed because it was found to be malware. Please reply to this message if you believe this to be a mistake." Doesn't help malware authors at all.

Isn't that basically what has already happened in this case?

They apparently don't offer an easy way to contact someone if there is a mistake or get a human to check the algorithm has correctly identified malware of it if has flagged a legitimate app.

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> Yes everyone should be rich enough to buy a 1000 dollar Apple phone. I bought an iPhone 7 from Net10 about 5 months ago for $220 shipped. It requires a minimum $20 a month plan for 12 months before I can unlock it. About 2 years ago I got my mom an iPhone SE for $140 with similar plan/unlock. Both brand new. They’re not everyday prices and not the newest model but it is possible to go iOS without breaking the bank.

So your iPhone 7 actually costs $220 + $20 * 12 = $460 Is that correct? Not sure what the situation is over there, but in my country I've got a $5 prepaid plan with unlimited minutes, 10 GB monthly bandwidth and I can stop paying at any time. So I hope you don't go around pretending that the $20 you're paying per month isn't for that phone ;-)

Thanks for catching that subsidy

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Guidebook, a 70+ person company, also appears to have just had their account banned as of yesterday morning. It's an app that tells you what's happening at conventions. Hard to see the bad faith there, but I bet the conventions they've signed contracts with this week will be very unhappy. The co-founder has taken to tweeting at his network to try to find a contact. Crazy to think a rogue algorithm might put 70 people…

Such an app could be easily done as a mobile web site.

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I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

I personally like that my phone has expandable memory and iPhone features 3 years before the iPhone.

I'm not sure why you've been downvoted. The current trends are quite interesting: Huawei & co. are bending over backwards to introduce innovative solutions into their phones, whereas Apple seems quite conservative and seems satisfied with putting in more powerful chips mostly. I'm amazed what you can do with some Chinese phones, and I wonder why Apple is less aggressive about new features than they used to be.

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I'm the developer of a relatively popular app (50M+ on the Play Store) and have had very disappointing experiences with the Play Store, but in a rather opposite way from the OP: Once an app reaches a certain level of popularity, you begin to see "knock-off" apps, which are apps with a curiously similar name and icon (and screenshots and description), but which in fact don't do anything except blast the user with full…

+1 to this. I also have several apps in the Google Play Store. Unfortunately, the knock-off apps are all around our apps, sometimes ranking higher in popular keywords. Some even post a screenshot of our apps! Heck, some apps are so bad that they ruin the reputation of the entire niche (for example, a document scanner app). If the first few apps that a user downloads does not scan documents, he's naturally assuming th…

Have you tried sending a copyright takedown notice, if the apps copy your screen shots (assuming you have applied for the copyright)?

It seems like it might work.

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Yes everyone should be rich enough to buy a 1000 dollar Apple phone. Also, you get to decide if I want more than one camera app or not ? Stop imposing your world view on others. Android made smartphones accessible to many people across the globe. You won't mention that would you ? Won't fit your narrative.

> Yes everyone should be rich enough to buy a 1000 dollar Apple phone. I bought an iPhone 7 from Net10 about 5 months ago for $220 shipped. It requires a minimum $20 a month plan for 12 months before I can unlock it. About 2 years ago I got my mom an iPhone SE for $140 with similar plan/unlock. Both brand new. They’re not everyday prices and not the newest model but it is possible to go iOS without breaking the bank.

The "1000 dollar apple phone" thing is such a weird myth.

My wife has been using the iphone 5s for years now, because the later models are too big for her to hold comfortably. It originally came out in 2013. It is still supported by Apple, and hers currently runs iOS 12.4, which came out last month. She is on her second 5s, because she dropped her first one in the lake trying to take a picture of our dog. I use it from time to time to help pull up music or navigation in the car and it runs just fine, it's a perfectly usable phone.

These days, you can get a "renewed" one for less than a hundred dollars, unlocked, straight from Amazon.

Android is the phone ecosystem where you actually need to spend a thousand dollars* on phone hardware, because all of the inexpensive android devices are cheaply made garbage that feel like they should come filled with candy. They are stuffed with manufacturer bloatware (if you're lucky, or malware if you're not), and are obsolete right out of the box. If you spend a hundred dollars on an android phone, I absolutely guarantee you that you will regret it.

I'm not exactly an apple partisan here, I work on android apps for a living, I've used android phones for years, I actually like the Android OS and I want it to thrive, but the current state of the overall android hardware and software ecosystem, outside of the very high end devices that most people frankly can't afford, is just dire.

*- I have a pixel 3 XL, I know a thing or two about spending a thousand dollars to get a usable android device.

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> Yes everyone should be rich enough to buy a 1000 dollar Apple phone. I bought an iPhone 7 from Net10 about 5 months ago for $220 shipped. It requires a minimum $20 a month plan for 12 months before I can unlock it. About 2 years ago I got my mom an iPhone SE for $140 with similar plan/unlock. Both brand new. They’re not everyday prices and not the newest model but it is possible to go iOS without breaking the bank.

The "1000 dollar apple phone" thing is such a weird myth. My wife has been using the iphone 5s for years now, because the later models are too big for her to hold comfortably. It originally came out in 2013. It is still supported by Apple, and hers currently runs iOS 12.4, which came out last month. She is on her second 5s, because she dropped her first one in the lake trying to take a picture of our dog. I use it fr…

There are enough cheap to mid range devices that do the job in Android. I dont think you understand the value of even 100$ in a developing country. Most people don't care about updates in this scenario. They want a phone that works. And far more people in the lower strata have access to cheaper Android phones than Apple.

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I personally like that my phone has expandable memory and iPhone features 3 years before the iPhone.

I'm not sure why you've been downvoted. The current trends are quite interesting: Huawei & co. are bending over backwards to introduce innovative solutions into their phones, whereas Apple seems quite conservative and seems satisfied with putting in more powerful chips mostly. I'm amazed what you can do with some Chinese phones, and I wonder why Apple is less aggressive about new features than they used to be.

HN hates Android or anything pro Google. Hence the downvotes.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Although it is possible to distribute Android apps through other channels, you should not forget that for some applications you are still bound to Google. Due to the changes in Android Oreo regarding background services, you need Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM) for a Messenger or other communication app to get the device out of Doze mode and to deliver push notifications without delay. If Google closes your account, y…

Oreo allows you to add an app to a Doze whitelist even if it is distributed outside the Play Store. In fact, it is easier that way because the Play Store review policy restricts why an app can ask for that.

Yes, this Doze whitelist has existed since Marshmallow, when Doze was introduced. However, adding your app to this list does not affect the limitations of background services implemented with Oreo.

If you want to implement your own push notifications, you need some kind of persistent connection to your server. Before Oreo, this was simply possible with a background service.

But starting from Oreo, your background services are shut down after 2 or 3 minutes, as soon as the corresponding app is no longer in the foreground. Of course, you could try to use a foreground service (which must display a notification). But even then the user gets a constant warning displayed like "App xyz is running in the background" or "App xyz is using battery".

Many users are not developers. If they get such a warning, they think something is wrong with your app. This is just not a good user experience. You are virtually forced to use FCM. And that doesn't work without a Google account.

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