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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by plibither8 »

OrgNet wrote: post #138
plibither8 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderators will sometimes rescue a post which didn't receive a lot of upvotes and reset the submission time on the post. This is part of an experiment in giving good HN submissions multiple chances at the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380

The moderators leave a lot of notes (as comments) when they modify the flow of information, but do they in that case?

No, at least not when my story was "re-upped", as they term it. The only indication that a story was rescued is observing the timestamp on the homepage vs. the timestamp on its comments page.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by doomrobo »

dillondoyle wrote: post #123
mattnguyen wrote: post #120

A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…

How can finance firms use telegram? aren't there strict compliance laws which require logging of messages - e.g. why Bloomberg chat is popular? Or maybe that's the point... but seems short sighted

Couldn't a bot do logging?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by doomrobo »

techntoke wrote: post #114
flixic wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App being open-source means you can compile and build it yourself. They've also gone to extreme lengths to prove that the software running on their servers has not been tampered with: https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/#trust-but... I think your doubts create very unreasonable expectations for Signal.

Telegram can be built locally too, and there are independent apps for it, and they have taken efforts within the security community to prove that it is secure.

Can you build and run the server locally?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by damnyou »

checktheorder wrote: post #135
izacus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. It's also completely unable to work on multiple devices. Not really comparable in usability.

>Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. Depending on one's threat model, this could be considered a feature.

If your point is that only people with a Mossad threat model should use Signal, I wholeheartedly agree.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by phs318u »

If I may ask a tangential question. In none of the comments have I seen mention of Wickr messenger which seems well designed with respect to security and provides e2e encryption, ephemeral messaging, device anonymity (to the servers), video and audio comms. And I believe it’s open source. Is this a case of just not being well known or is there some problem with it that everyone but me has heard about?

https://wickr.com/security/

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by amirmasoudabdol »

wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

> Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?

That’s how it should be. WhatsApp’s desktop apps are technically another front-end to your secured database on your phone. I’m searching for the tweet of one of iOS security researcher that confirmed this. That’s also the reason that your WhatsApp desktop client stops working when you are out of range. That’s being said, I’ve noticed that recently this is changing and somehow the desktop app maintains the data a bit longer. It’s still not completely independent but I think it’s in the transition period. If that happened, then their E2E has to be different.

By the way, I think the security code from one of your devices, probably your phone, can be encoded to the QR code and transfer to the client.

I assume WhatsApp implementation is a hybrid between mirroring the information and some sort of secure handshake via the QR code.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by dodobirdlord »

StavrosK wrote: post #97
berns wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're using a custom ROM or rooted phone, your messages won't be protected with end-to-end encryption. https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/android/26000005/?category=52452...

Wait wait wait what? Does this mean they disable encryption, or just that the messages will be as "unprotected" as being affected with a key logger?

Presumably they expect the OS security primitives to work in a particular way, and since they can't rely on that from a rooted device they just don't bother.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by saagarjha »

mattnguyen wrote: post #120

A growing number of people and organizations are starting to choose Telegram over Slack. This became prevalent in the blockchain space where pretty much everyone prefers Telegram to other messaging apps. OTC brokers, quant funds, and the largest exchanges use Telegram in some capacity, some almost exclusively. Since the official Telegram clients are open source and the org encourages open competition between third pa…

> Since the official Telegram clients are open source

They're not really all that open.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by saagarjha »

tazjin wrote: post #71
merlinsbrain wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a pretty clear distinction between slack and telegram - telegram offers a secure messenger channel with private messages. Slack does not do this, and publicly does not plan on doing this. The parent comment is requesting that an existing feature be switched on as default and not introduce a whole change in the communication layer of the app. Unfortunately you then lose syncing across devices, so I understand…

There's another clear distinction: Telegram has proper native clients and an open protocol.

> Telegram has proper native clients

They're not: they reimplement their own frameworks on top of relatively low-level UI primitives.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by pentae »

nichos wrote: post #132
wruza wrote: post #127

WhatsApp vs Telegram E2E encryption seems to be a hot topic here, so I’m not sure in which subthread to ask. The question is how WhatsApp is E2E by default, if I can open a browser, read the QR-code and see all my E2E chats in there instantly? WA either has them unencrypted or can see my phone’s secret key in transit. Isn’t the whole point of END to END messaging being undecipherable on devices other than these two?…

I always heard that telegram encryption was disabled by default. If you want security use signal, if you wants stickers and the like, use telegram.

Telegram is still a step up from what most people use (Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp). And if you really want a chat to be secure it's easy to set one up. I find it to be a perfect blend of security and usability. Saying it's only good for stickers is pretty disingenuous
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