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Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by thatcat »

50656E6973 wrote: post #129
ripdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those large tech companies can make money in France because the french government provides all that is necessary for a free, fair and functioning market. How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits…

>How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? By showing ads. Ads only need eyeballs to make money.

Advertising needs a luxury tax for wasting peoples attention, preventing them from being productive and encouraging unhealthy habits - like alcohol and cigarettes.

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by TeMPOraL »

50656E6973 wrote: post #129
ripdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those large tech companies can make money in France because the french government provides all that is necessary for a free, fair and functioning market. How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits…

>How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? By showing ads. Ads only need eyeballs to make money.

Ads don't make money from thin air; someone pays for those ads. Google accesses a market of French advertisers, and that market exists because of French government.

(Also, arguably, French eyeballs are a resource belonging to France, which Google exploits.)

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by leetcrew »

greatpatton wrote: post #96
tzs wrote: post #63

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Shouldn't that be covered by the 20% VAT that Amazon pays on goods and services sold to entities in France?

Amazon is not paying the VAT, the customer is. They are just here to collect it.

it doesn't really matter who pays the tax; it's pretty much orthogonal to tax burden. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by csomar »

baud147258 wrote: post #115
csomar wrote: post #52

This is a stupid move. The tax is not payed by big tech giants. Not by both, either. It's complicated and depends on who needs whom the more. If there are no alternative to AWS, Google Adsense, or an American SaaS in France; the French people will be paying all of the tax. The big tech giants will just slap them with a 3% surcharge for being in France. This is different from US-China tariffs. If the US can source fro…

> If you are a French startup … you won't get taxed under this law until you get more than 750M€ of revenue. So, all thing being equal, a French startup would be more competitive (of course things aren't equals, but that's another matter).

I mean a French startup using the American services.

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by mrec »

50656E6973 wrote: post #129
ripdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those large tech companies can make money in France because the french government provides all that is necessary for a free, fair and functioning market. How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits…

>How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? By showing ads. Ads only need eyeballs to make money.

I'm devil's advocating here a bit, but how do you make money showing ads when the people those ads are targetting can't read, have no money and don't own a computer?

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by oeoeo00 »

bko wrote: post #102
ripdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those large tech companies can make money in France because the french government provides all that is necessary for a free, fair and functioning market. How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits…

> All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits to pay for the services which allowed the profit to be made. So any taxation is justified? > It's not arbitrary to expect businesses to pay for services they benefit from. Any digital company with revenue of more than €750m ($850m; £670m) - of which at least €25m is generated in France - would be s…

Welcome to social rule making.

All of it based upon what’s agreeable to the negotiators.

Was just reading about term limits in the Constitution are set at a number the decision for which was negotiated by those invited to the party. Absolutely no argument given at the time addressed age or anything real. Just how many 4 year terms they felt was long enough.

It’s the same with all cultural laws and norms.

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by ars »

AznHisoka wrote: post #137
50656E6973 wrote: post #129

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>How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? By showing ads. Ads only need eyeballs to make money.

How can the eyeballs in France view ads if there was chaos outside, and gangs started to cut internet cables? How can eyeballs view ads if they didn't learn from French schools how to go to Google.com and enter search queries?

You missed the question. why is France charging tax to these particular companies? As opposed to all companies?

Your answer makes no distinction between them so doesn't actually answer the question.

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by 50656E6973 »

AznHisoka wrote: post #137
50656E6973 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? By showing ads. Ads only need eyeballs to make money.

How can the eyeballs in France view ads if there was chaos outside, and gangs started to cut internet cables? How can eyeballs view ads if they didn't learn from French schools how to go to Google.com and enter search queries?

1. Satellites

2. You don't need French schools to learn how to Google things

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by i_am_proteus »

bko wrote: post #102
ripdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those large tech companies can make money in France because the french government provides all that is necessary for a free, fair and functioning market. How could Google make money in France if there was no french police force, education system, market regulation, court system, contract enforcement? All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits…

> All money made on the white market in any country is facilitated by that government, and taxes are paid on all profits to pay for the services which allowed the profit to be made. So any taxation is justified? > It's not arbitrary to expect businesses to pay for services they benefit from. Any digital company with revenue of more than €750m ($850m; £670m) - of which at least €25m is generated in France - would be s…

'Progressive' taxation (taxing higher individual incomes at higher rates) seemed arbitrary when it was introduced, too.

Re: France has approved a digital services tax despite threats of retaliation by US

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Post by TeMPOraL »

cstejerean wrote: post #139
Renaud wrote: post #93

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No. VAT is basically a tax paid by people. Companies don’t really pay VAT, they collect it from the end-customers and pass it to the state. Relying on VAT alone skews the burden of financing the state on the people only, which means no participation from the companies that make money without directly contributing to the country’s expenses they benefit from. It also disproportionately disadvantages companies that also…

And you think this new surcharge won’t be passed onto the consumers in France?

It will be, ending the unfair competitive benefits of tax avoidance big Internet companies currently enjoy in much of Europe.
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