YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems” • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by yorwba » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56

gen3 wrote: post #15

Does this mean that all the reverse engineering videos, con talks, prof of exploit demos, CTF walkthroughs', and fuzzing tutorials will be removed? What about videos showing me how to use tools like Twistlock? Will they be exempt, but videos about burp be banned? What constitutes a "secure" computer system? Side note, I guess its time to fire up youtube-dl. Are there any channels that need to be archived? I normally…

Please use tubeup [1] to backup at risk videos to the Internet Archive. It uses youtube-dl on the backend for retrieving content, subtitles, etc, and will properly set metadata for the item in the archive. The content will be darked if there’s an issue serving it, and the IA staff and storage system will throttle you if necessary (which will bubble up as s3 timeouts). DEFCON, CCC, and other infosec groups need to mov…

Someone suggested federating with the PeerTube network to the people maintaining the backend for https://media.ccc.de , but there doesn't seem to have been a decision on that yet.

https://github.com/voc/voctoweb/issues/342

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by corndoge » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #113

jerf wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sooner. If you dig it's not hard to find videos of highly-placed employees of these companies talking about how they plan on manipulating future elections. It goes far beyond anything that Russia has even been accused of doing in the past three years, but it's the "right people" saying it, so it's not a scandal.

Can you cite your sources?

He's citing Project Veritas:

https://spectator.org/google-removes-project-veritas-video-f...

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2019/6/27/18760463/projec...

Just a couple google results, cbf to find the actual video, I'm not promoting any particular viewpoint etc

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by tasty_freeze » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

AWildC182 wrote: post #95

Zak wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. I do. The uncensored alternative to a popular platform consistently attracts all the toxic users, making it a place nobody else wants to go. Voat is a relatively recent high-profile example.

Unless they themselves are also terrible people, I can't imagine that they don't have some plan to combat this given how obvious of a problem it's been. They mention respect in the header at least...

How do they combat that without being accused, as youtube is here, of censorship? Will they disallow child porn? How about videos advocating violence against specific people? How about obviously libelous videos, like ones claiming, say, Donald Trump is running a child prostitution ring from the basement of a pizza parlor? When they get sued for hosting such content, who is going to pay their legal bills?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by tyscorp » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

rubicon33 wrote: post #79

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

I could definitely get behind your point if the subject were the government. It's not, though I understand the sentiment is the same. At the end of the day YouTube is a private company. Yea, a very big one with huge reach, but private nonetheless. Taking a subjective moral position is something companies have been doing for a long time. If you disagree with them, don't give them your $ (don't use youtube).

I think with the power and influence these private companies wield and the huge effects they can have on society, the distinction between the standards we hold gov vs private to is arbitrary and only remain for historical reasons. It doesn't have to be that way just because it always was.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by oconnor663 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

Devil's advocate: There's a very thin line between e.g. the Lockpicking Lawyer doing reviews of different padlock brands and e.g. an instructional video about how to break into someone's house. YouTube knows that if someone posts home invasion instructions, and then someone else watches those instructions and commits a crime, the news media will absolutely 100% blame YouTube, and politicians will jump on them to score points with the voters. Since it's essentially impossible to define a simple, objective difference between the Lockpicking Lawyer and instructional videos for actual crimes, YouTube needs to write broad policies that potentially cover both, and then rely on their discretion in individual cases.

Does this suck for everyone involved? Yes. Does YouTube have a choice about this? No.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by rdiddly » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:14 PM UTC

Here comes an argument familiar from other domains (drugs, guns, censorship in general) but still valid:

This will serve to drive that content further out of sight and underground, into the realm of people whose hats are statistically more likely to be of a darker shade as it were.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by floatingatoll » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:14 PM UTC

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself.

Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service.

Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description — the point here is to show YouTube where they're wrong by forcing them into direct confrontation with their own vested interests.

Bonus irony points will be conceded to correctly flagging a Google Project Zero video, or a YouTube security team video, as in violation of the terms of service as stated.

Again, please do not do this indiscriminately. Use your judgement on how to create the maximum exposure of stupidity through honest and careful judgement of what obviously should be permitted and yet does not comply with the rules as stated today.

EDIT: Per commenters below — if you behave improperly and report a ton of videos inappropriately, you very well could get your account banned. If you're worried about this, report one video only. Be selective, use your single vote, and then move on.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by StudentStuff » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:14 PM UTC

tartrate wrote: post #78

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

sooner than later they will change their definition of morality and we all gonna pay with our freedom Just wanted to point out that I found this to be a powerful quote. Well said.

This is why I find the Fediverse so compelling, PeerTube is already starting to get traction: https://joinpeertube.org/en/#register

Neat instances to check out:

https://pe.ertu.be/

https://queertube.org/

This genre of distributed, lower resource usage social platform is rather enjoyable (for me). Hopefully Rustodon, Florence, PixelFed & Lemmy also continue developing, as this can be a compelling alternative to the FAANGs ecosystem.

Edit: formatting

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by tdb7893 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:15 PM UTC

jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

The slippery slope is still silly, we are still evaluating things on their own terms right now in this thread.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by bin0 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 7:15 PM UTC

britch wrote: post #112

jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

I don't think this changes the idea that the slippery slope is a silly argument. Aren't we evaluating these things on their own terms now? It's definitely possible to have a YouTube that is harsh on calls to violence but allows cyber-security instructionals. We're not sliding down the slope just yet. We took a step too low and need to climb back up. edit: I should not have used "we" above, since only Alphabet control…

> We took a step too low and need to climb back up

This is not going to happen; we will keep sliding. We are not the ones doing the stepping, because we do not control the platform. What we can do is persuade people to use distributed and/or federated alternatives.