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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by a_imho » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:36 AM UTC

bfrog wrote: post #109

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39

I hate the fact that Thinkpads are the laptops with the best OpenBSD support. I dislike Thinkpads for two reasons: - They're made by Lenovo. A couple of years ago, Lenovo bundled malware in the BIOS of their laptops [superfish incident]. For that reason, I won't ever again buy a single product from them, since I can't trust them. - They're ugly. I find most current laptops ugly, so this may be my fault, and by itself…

Ugly as opposed as opposed to what exactly? A toughbook is ugly. Those hp envys are ugly.

As it sits on my desk, I can't help the feel the new hp logo is flipping me off.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by h1d » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:36 AM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #131

For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win. Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but…

What's so dirty bypassing that isn't productive for you?

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:41 AM UTC

He literally can't do his job on this OS... He runs his critical workloads (Linux virtual machines) on another laptop with Linux installed.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by h1d » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:48 AM UTC

cubano wrote: post #28

So, you are giving up what seems like your 2 most important apps (Evernote and VMs) just so you can run X operating system on a laptop? Excuse me, but this just doesn't make any sense. Applications are the reason we use computers, not OSs, and to have to make such sacrifices is IMHO just silly. The whole OS holy-war thing seems so played out to me...its 2019 just use whatever works..no one care really. Add to that th…

I get it. I run macOS for daily driver so I only need to care what I should care but wanted to keep an OpenBSD around on a hobby server but then again since I couldn't figure out how to make the identical environment compared to my other Linux servers, I just gave up and switched to FreeBSD, where things just worked.

Too bad but I also get the enthusiasm bit as I like OpenBSD's philosophy.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by vmurthy » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:50 AM UTC

dorfsmay wrote: post #122

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39

I hate the fact that Thinkpads are the laptops with the best OpenBSD support. I dislike Thinkpads for two reasons: - They're made by Lenovo. A couple of years ago, Lenovo bundled malware in the BIOS of their laptops [superfish incident]. For that reason, I won't ever again buy a single product from them, since I can't trust them. - They're ugly. I find most current laptops ugly, so this may be my fault, and by itself…

I wish laptop manufacturers stopped carrying about ugly and spent more time on functionality such as ethernet port and easy to upgrade and repair, sell it to me without memory (or memory at a normal price), etc... I don't buy laptops to look good.

> sell it to me without memory (or memory at a normal price), etc...

That's the catch isn't it? Manufacturers have a lot of markup on things like RAM and SSD that they'd rather force you to upgrade on their websites than sell without memory.

Anecdata: I was trying to buy a couple of Dell Laptops for our office and the Dell US website has a customize option. Base model had 4 GB RAM and the upgrade to 8 GB RAM was .. drum roll .. approx $67 [1] . Comparable one on Amazon? $37-ish [2]. You will have a lot of fun doing similar comparison with SSDs.

[1]https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...

[2] https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC4-19200-2400MHz-SODIMM-M471...

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by akulbe » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:52 AM UTC

I have Linux-on-the-Windows-Desktop. WSL, that is. For my use case, it's fucking amazing. I've come full circle.

I switched from Windows to Linux in 1999. I switched from Linux to Mac in 2003.

I've used Linux natively, it turned into a hack-fest. I spent more time trying to get things working, than getting ACTUAL work done. Using the Linux platform for development is fantastic.

It's when you want to do non-dev related productivity stuff that it got frustrating for me. You had to have workarounds galore. Or you had to have Wine, or you had to have a full Windows VM (when $APP didn't have a good nix-y equivalent).

macOS was great when the computer hardware was prioritized. Then at some point, Apple shifted focus. It was all about a cohesive experience, and integration galore. Then it shifted. Now it's all about iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/tvOS. macOS and its hardware have largely taken a back seat. See the MacBook Pro 2016-.

When Apple releases the 2019 MBP and it IMMEDIATELY goes onto the keyboard repair program... you know that in spite of all lip service to the contrary, that Apple gives no fucks about the Apple computer, like they do their gravy train products.

I needed an environment that'd let me still target Linux development, but stay-the-eff-out-of-my-way for productivity stuff. Windows it is. I know that's not what HNer's wanna hear, but the cultural shift at MS and using MS for a dev platform... it's been surprising, and amazing. Not what I'd expected in a million years. #flyingpigs #flameon

Anyone else experience a similar evolution?

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by alexanderdmitri » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 6:58 AM UTC

aflag wrote: post #37

orbifold wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding commenting on other people’s appearance: this is something I find personally super tedious. When I am at work I really don’t want people to start commenting on my appearance, both negatively or positively.

You must not work as a model.

Or a view. Most likely a controller.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #131

For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win. Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but…

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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by blablabla123 » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 7:12 AM UTC

cubano wrote: post #28

So, you are giving up what seems like your 2 most important apps (Evernote and VMs) just so you can run X operating system on a laptop? Excuse me, but this just doesn't make any sense. Applications are the reason we use computers, not OSs, and to have to make such sacrifices is IMHO just silly. The whole OS holy-war thing seems so played out to me...its 2019 just use whatever works..no one care really. Add to that th…

To be fair, in 2019 (on my Mac) the applications I almost exclusively use are Terminal, Browser, Editor, File manager. That's more or less since years, although recently I started using more local apps.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

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Post by moksly » Thu, Jul 04, 2019, 7:25 AM UTC

akulbe wrote: post #146

I have Linux-on-the-Windows-Desktop. WSL, that is. For my use case, it's fucking amazing. I've come full circle. I switched from Windows to Linux in 1999. I switched from Linux to Mac in 2003. I've used Linux natively, it turned into a hack-fest. I spent more time trying to get things working, than getting ACTUAL work done. Using the Linux platform for development is fantastic. It's when you want to do non-dev relate…

I’ve made the same transitions from win to Linux to Mac and for the same reasons. I’m going back to Linux though.

I’ve used windows professionally all that time and Windows 10 is the least productive it’s ever been, for me anyway. It’s just such a horrible experience and I don’t know exactly why that is. I didn’t even mind CMD and powershell and it’s not that I dislike Microsoft. I recently traded my personal g-suite in for a Office365 essentials plan, and I’m rather happy with it, but I just can’t get on the right food of Windows 10. I wish I could, the Surface Books are genuinely the modern MacBook Pro, but Ubuntu is just a better experience.

Of course there is still a few quirks, the only one that’s really bothered me is the lack of a Linux One Drive client, which should frankly tell you how little Microsoft has really changed. They don’t intend to be good for Linux, they want Linux to be good for them.