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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by geff82 »

mehdix wrote: post #125
js8 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sanctions are designed as [..] when the people amplify the pressure beyond the point the government can withstand Do you have any historic evidence that it ever worked like this? I don't, and therefore, I think the sanctions are a predatory policy designed to break the country so it could be attacked by the U.S., where the military-industrial complex is getting too horny. I mean, I could understand sanctions in the…

Thanks for quoting Vaclav Havel. That was exactly what I was looking for. My father was a revolutionist. The amount of harm and distress it caused to him and his children is beyond imagination. It damaged us beyond repair. That's something that I'll avoid at all costs.

And that quote really says it. Revolting against an oppressive regime on your own is usually your death sentence. Why bother with endless prison and/or death when you can just pack your stuff and move somewhere else and be happy? On a macro level, revolting might be the correct thing to do. But on the micro level, simply leaving is the rational decision.

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Post by haojixu »

This get me thinking: are Multinational Companies actually multinational? If their HQ is in one place and they have to operate globally either under jurisdiction or under board pressures of that place, isn't it super dangerous for the people that buy into their "multinational" narrative and place their trust under the assumptions that infrastructure would only seldomly be biased?

EDIT: "seldomly" should be "to a less extent"

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Post by rbrtdrmpc- »

yyyk wrote: post #119
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

"with dual italian/iranian citizenship due to the ius sanguinis (iranian mother, italian father)" How did she even get Iranian citizenship? Iranian law does not provide citizenship to children of Iranian mothers with foreign fathers even if they are born in Iran, and the Guardian Council has so far vetoed all attempts to change it[0]. [0] https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/05/iran-nati...

Found this[0] though, is this retroactive?

[0] https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/435807/Iranian-nationality-...

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Post by saiya-jin »

mschuster91 wrote: post #20
catmanjan wrote: post #16

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That is straight up racism.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

> No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities.

That's just reaction to stupid US FATCA laws pushed by US down the throat all countries out there. Same is for Switzerland - quite hard to open an account for anybody qualifying as US citizen, although banks are mostly fully compliant with FATCA processes. But this was pushed by the guy before the Big Blonde

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Post by espeed »

RobertoG wrote: post #130
espeed wrote: post #112

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You're missing the point. The situation is much more nuanced than that. The Iranian people are not the target, the West wants to see their potential released. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303107

I see, so, this game with Iran, is motivated because "the West wants to see their potential released". When is the turn of the Saudis? Is Iraq potential totally released already? And the grandparent is the one missing the point.. I want to recommend this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw Or the transcription: https://genius.com/General-wesley-clark-seven-countries-in-f... Your definition of the West…

Yes, PNAC's plan to dislodge the middle east was formed in the '90's. Their strategy and tactics included a series of kinetic wars that culminated with Syria, which they viewed as the most politically challenging situation. In contrast, Trump's strategy and tactics is based on economic force rather than kinetic wars. For economic force to work, the Iranian people must rise and act. Sanctions put the Iranian government into a weakened position and provide an opportunity for the people to act. The globalists don't believe in this strategy and will likely return to their strategy of kinetic war in the next administration if this doesn't work. The Iranian people are in a strong position to choose to act and prove the globalists wrong and kinetic wars are obsolete.

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Post by pnongrata »

codingdave wrote: post #58

I get it - Sanctions hurt people. They are blunt tools when we need more refined dialogue. It is putting the pain of conflict between our governments onto the people, and not driving change. All these things are true. But this letter is written to the wrong people. This situation stems from a problem between our governments, and that is where it needs to be fixed. We have limited power to change this, but what power…

Meanwhile companies are hijacking governments by pouring billions of dollars directly or indirectly in order to push policies that benefit their profit-driven agenda.

Big companies and governments go hand in hand, so the only way to enact some REAL change is to strike where the MONEY is and cut their economic power.

A vote becomes worthless in a society where lobbying is legalized and media channels have economic interests in play.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by saiya-jin »

jankotek wrote: post #50
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

It is targeting everyone. As an European I would love to visit Iran. Amazing country, some friends there, direct flights... But I would lose ESTA and would need to apply for a visa before visiting US.

A fantastic, cheap country where almost everybody speaks OK english, great and amazingly helpful people. And the most important thing - completely unspoiled by mass tourism. You just don't see that in the world where there is actually something to see anymore.

I gained much respect for persians and their history when doing a short trip there (Mont Damavand, Isfahan, Yazd & desert, Tehran).

Losing an ESTA for such an enriching experience? Definitely worth it. Plus when I flew through Miami last year, I had already new passport and all was OK.

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Post by codingdave »

pnongrata wrote: post #146
codingdave wrote: post #58

I get it - Sanctions hurt people. They are blunt tools when we need more refined dialogue. It is putting the pain of conflict between our governments onto the people, and not driving change. All these things are true. But this letter is written to the wrong people. This situation stems from a problem between our governments, and that is where it needs to be fixed. We have limited power to change this, but what power…

Meanwhile companies are hijacking governments by pouring billions of dollars directly or indirectly in order to push policies that benefit their profit-driven agenda. Big companies and governments go hand in hand, so the only way to enact some REAL change is to strike where the MONEY is and cut their economic power. A vote becomes worthless in a society where lobbying is legalized and media channels have economic int…

> strike where the MONEY is

What does that mean, exactly? What specific actions do you propose people take?

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Post by yyyk »

rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #143
yyyk wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"with dual italian/iranian citizenship due to the ius sanguinis (iranian mother, italian father)" How did she even get Iranian citizenship? Iranian law does not provide citizenship to children of Iranian mothers with foreign fathers even if they are born in Iran, and the Guardian Council has so far vetoed all attempts to change it[0]. [0] https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/05/iran-nati...

Found this[0] though, is this retroactive? [0] https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/435807/Iranian-nationality-...

It has been voted for by parliament (again) but not yet approved by the other authorities.

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Post by espeed »

cr1895 wrote: post #135
espeed wrote: post #124

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The US people fought several wars to free itself and establish its nation. And then it went back to Europe and fought WWI and WWII to ensure it's free. Iran is one the few places on Earth remaining to be free. But freedom is a choice, and the Iranian people have to choose it.

What about the indigenous peoples of the present US? Did they choose freedom?

They're still free. I live in Texas, and most people are part-Native American here (including me).
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