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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by dasloop » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #91

ixtli wrote: post #46

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I find that the root issue is individualism. There are immaculately clean cities in east asia whos parent societies would definitely qualify as highly "consumerist." It's not consumption that's the problem but the parameters within which that consumption is allowed to proceed. As well, in individualist societies we seem far more comfortable to discard our trash wherever and just forget about it. A more collectivist a…

> There are immaculately clean cities in east asia Isn't it because they have armies of cleaning people in the streets ? A friend of mine told me about it, I think he was in South Korea, Seoul perhaps, at the time. He told me people mostly act the same but their cities are more efficient at cleaning the mess before it piles up. I don't know if there are other laws similar to that [0] but it probably explain some beha…

Not in Japan. No armies of cleaning people are required.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by moccachino » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

CaptainZapp wrote: post #76

close04 wrote: post #47

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That escalated quickly. In law there is a principle of proportionality [0]. It's the reason why jaywalking isn't punished by 60 days in prison or by getting sent back to your country and banned from ever travelling to any country that has pedestrian crossings. Also laws should apply equally to everybody. How would such a law apply to locals? Withdraw citizenship? I think hitting them with fines or paying damages is a…

You will probably be surprised when I state that I agree with you in general. Nobody wants a dictatorial state, which puts you under constant surveillance and jumps on you for the smallest of infractions (Singapore being again a great example). I do feel, however, that this Instagram self promotion shit has gotten so badly out of hand, that drastic measures may really be justified. As the article explains Iceland's n…

Iceland could claim government copyright on all their landscape, and charge for every Instagram post.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by dstroot » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

chronial wrote: post #110

lm28469 wrote: post #102

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There is a difference between individual pollution and state level pollution though. Germany may pollute the air/rivers less than China but come to Berlin; in some neighbourhoods you might think you teleported to a third world country where trash are simply threw in the streets to rot for weeks if not months before the public services finally do something.

Come to Munich and you will find no such thing. I don't think single examples can prove a point here.

Munich is such a great city for work-life balance and a sustainable approach to living while still being very “modern”

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by cdelsolar » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #100

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I went there in the winter (when things are generally a bit cheaper) a couple of years ago and it wasn't too bad. Food, however, was incredibly expensive everywhere. No where else have I spent nearly $20 USD for a meal at a fast food restaurant.

If you'd eaten the local cuisine it would have been cheaper. Importing goods to an island is expensive.

yeah, I've seen a lot of people saying food in Iceland is super expensive, but when I was there it was about as expensive as any American city. I think many tourists must still be going to like Subway. I was going to the local restaurants and even found an amazing noodle soup place for under $10 equivalent.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by magnamerc » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

balabaster wrote: post #109

sillyquiet wrote: post #5

I call this the 'Disney World' effect of nature tourism. Self-involved, entitled people who treat national parks and the wilderness like an amusement park that has been set aside for their entertainment. They expect the natural world to cater to their whims the same way a Disney world employee does, and they just do not understand that's not how the world works.

It's worse than this - their entire life needs to be Instagram worthy. Everything they do is in the name of getting the next perfect shot, so they can influence others in the name of social advertising to make a quick buck. They either become proficient photographers, videographers and writers or they team up with those who are, capitalizing on the latest trends in photography to consolidate their brand. The problem…

Just wait until social influencers receive Libra's based on the amount of likes their pictures get.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by LMYahooTFY » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #102

jsonne wrote: post #82

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8 of the 10 most polluted rivers in the world are in East Asia. Of the top polluted cities in the world 8 of 10 are in Asia. Your analysis falls apart with even a cursory search.

There is a difference between individual pollution and state level pollution though. Germany may pollute the air/rivers less than China but come to Berlin; in some neighbourhoods you might think you teleported to a third world country where trash are simply threw in the streets to rot for weeks if not months before the public services finally do something.

>There is a difference between individual pollution and state level pollution though.

Sure, in the same way that there is a difference between the individual and the state/corporation/organization.

I don't see how this makes allocating carbon footprints any more accurate, nor does it indict "individuality" or any other ambiguous concepts.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by cdelsolar » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:30 PM UTC

I went in the winter of 2014 and saw cute fuzzy horses on the side of the road, so pulled over to look at them. When I got back to my car I realized it got stuck and had to embarrassingly ask locals to help. At least I didn't drive off road. Some farmer pulled me out of the ditch with his truck as some other locals helped shovel the snow around my tires.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by mistermann » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

dasloop wrote: post #141

lm28469 wrote: post #91

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> There are immaculately clean cities in east asia Isn't it because they have armies of cleaning people in the streets ? A friend of mine told me about it, I think he was in South Korea, Seoul perhaps, at the time. He told me people mostly act the same but their cities are more efficient at cleaning the mess before it piles up. I don't know if there are other laws similar to that [0] but it probably explain some beha…

Not in Japan. No armies of cleaning people are required.

Kids clean their own schools in Japan.

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/featurephilia/stor...

Whereas in the West, we just tell ourselves stories like all cultures are equal, and even though it's obviously not even remotely true, most people seem to believe it.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by xwdv » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:36 PM UTC

balabaster wrote: post #109

sillyquiet wrote: post #5

I call this the 'Disney World' effect of nature tourism. Self-involved, entitled people who treat national parks and the wilderness like an amusement park that has been set aside for their entertainment. They expect the natural world to cater to their whims the same way a Disney world employee does, and they just do not understand that's not how the world works.

It's worse than this - their entire life needs to be Instagram worthy. Everything they do is in the name of getting the next perfect shot, so they can influence others in the name of social advertising to make a quick buck. They either become proficient photographers, videographers and writers or they team up with those who are, capitalizing on the latest trends in photography to consolidate their brand. The problem…

Has nothing to do with making a quick buck. Has everything to do with getting social validation from their peers.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x » Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

dasloop wrote: post #141

lm28469 wrote: post #91

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> There are immaculately clean cities in east asia Isn't it because they have armies of cleaning people in the streets ? A friend of mine told me about it, I think he was in South Korea, Seoul perhaps, at the time. He told me people mostly act the same but their cities are more efficient at cleaning the mess before it piles up. I don't know if there are other laws similar to that [0] but it probably explain some beha…

Not in Japan. No armies of cleaning people are required.

Not true. They clean it every morning. There's trash covering the streets of Tokyo before it gets picked up.

Source: live in Shibuya for 3 months every year.