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U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

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Post by vetinari »

sapilla wrote: post #132
TeMPOraL wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does their best to make the app unusable off-line, but I hear there are alternatives (HERE Maps is a name I recall seeing on HN a few times).

Google Maps for Android provides area-based offline maps, with a time limit that is not enforced. It's been very useful to me personally, not sure what's unusable about it. I find the online version less usable because it nags me about GPS and obstinately only stores search history online, coupling it to the global Google Activity History setting.

But only in the Google Maps app. Nowhere else.

If you have a GIS system, that is able to use Google Maps as the basemap, you still don't have the ability to save it for offline use. The APIs/libraries/license agreement with Google that these GIS systems use won't allow that.

Not that other providers (Bing, Here, etc) are any better. Your only way is to download OSM data/obtain local ortophoto and make your own tiles.

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Post by butteroverflow »

sargun wrote: post #119
vasco wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can download a cache of a map on my phone from Google maps but a powerplant needs a constant internet connection for them?

Do the google mobile APIs offer a way to run an offline version of them? Otherwise, if you want to do it fully offline, it’s kind of a pain in the ass to run something like ArcGIS on prem and license navteq data.

You can always run your own OSM tile server. That's what they recommend instead of relying on the official server, actually, if you have any non-trivial load.

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Post by jessaustin »

molteanu wrote: post #14

I don't understand a single bit from this article.

Rational people are often confused by the war media's agitation for war. The reason for the confusion is they are lying to us. Whenever I'm confused by the war media, I conclude they must be trying to start another war. They're pressing this button too often, though. Compare the results in Syria to those in Libya...

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Post by qwsxyh »

manigandham wrote: post #136
qwsxyh wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being as evil as they possibly could is not really good.

There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens. The US is not nearly as much as problem as people want to make it seem and Pax Americana has led to almost a century without major worldwide war.

> There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens.

I assume you're including the US in this, too.

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Post by ganzuul »

manigandham wrote: post #136
qwsxyh wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being as evil as they possibly could is not really good.

There are dozens of countries murdering their own citizens. The US is not nearly as much as problem as people want to make it seem and Pax Americana has led to almost a century without major worldwide war.

The death sentence is the same thing, just with more decoration.

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Post by DevoidSimo »

vasco wrote: post #96
DevoidSimo wrote: post #49

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I work in the industry. On the electrical distribution side, there are a few things which may need internet connectivity. Getting map tiles for displays; having an externally contracted call center integrate with the outage management; automatic vehicle location (painting crew vehicles on the displays). Adding to the last point, something that is coming to the industry is read only access to the system from a mobile…

I can download a cache of a map on my phone from Google maps but a powerplant needs a constant internet connection for them?

Not constant, map tiles are downloded and cached. This one could be done manually, the others less so.

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Post by drawnwren »

zarriak wrote: post #73
drawnwren wrote: post #58

What's the workaround to the new nyt ad blocker blocker?

Do you mean anti ad-blocking or the new detection for "private" mode? It took the NYT like 6 hours after WaPo started detecting incognito mode for them to start doing the same thing. That was about a week ago. I just open chrome to read the articles but if you want to be away from google, install a firefox derivative and setup to accept trackers and the like and delete all cookies on shutdown.

Yeah, I use Firefox Focus on mobile and it tells me I can't view it in private mode. I'll see if I can figure out how to implement your suggestions with it. Thanks for the tip.

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Post by DoctorOetker »

manigandham wrote: post #135
billfruit wrote: post #124

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But tit for tat responses are problamatic. Eg: Responding to terrorism with more terrorism is hardly going to lead to solutions. US supposedly does not operate in the same ethical-moral framework as the Russians.Is it even legal under American law to disrupt or cause damage to other countries property, while not engaged in war? I think the whole think smacks of extra-legality, and that is one place where democracies…

You won't have much of a country if you let the enemy get the advantage. Sovereignty is maintained through force.

... or perhaps just hire security professionals familiar with formal verification, then design secure systems?

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Post by samat »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #137
sapilla wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps for Android provides area-based offline maps, with a time limit that is not enforced. It's been very useful to me personally, not sure what's unusable about it. I find the online version less usable because it nags me about GPS and obstinately only stores search history online, coupling it to the global Google Activity History setting.

Is navigation working off-line now? Last time I checked, it didn't. And Google Maps, even on-line, are quite bad at being a map , with the completely unreliable way of rendering street labels. I've used Google Maps off-line in a pinch a few times, but it wasn't too pleasant of an experience. (Call me entitled, but I don't think it's too much to ask of an off-line map to offer point-by-point navigation and searching t…

I was able to create usable offline navigation with OSM in a mobile app in a few weeeks. Sure this guys could afford that :)
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