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Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by CaptainZapp »

basch wrote: post #68
pinewurst wrote: post #3

"Internal exchanges uncovered in response to FTC probe could cast doubt on founder’s commitment to user privacy, people familiar with the matter say" Who thinks Zuckerberg has (or ever had) _any_ commitment to user privacy?

Pretty disingenuous. People can change. AND we dont have a timeline. Facebook kept pushing more and more info public, in an attempt to make facebook more useful. ( http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ ) Then they saw they went too far and quietly scaled it back. Four years later they got burned by mistakes they already knew they made and had already started taking action on. There's multiple issues at foot: when h…

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks [1]

[1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

I see absolutely no indication that Mr. Zuckerberg changed his attitude since then.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by basch »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #141
basch wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty disingenuous. People can change. AND we dont have a timeline. Facebook kept pushing more and more info public, in an attempt to make facebook more useful. ( http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ ) Then they saw they went too far and quietly scaled it back. Four years later they got burned by mistakes they already knew they made and had already started taking action on. There's multiple issues at foot: when h…

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks [1] [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg I see absolutely no indication that Mr. Zuckerberg changed his attitude since th…

Im aware of the quote. I just think theres more cognitive dissonance than evil. He tells him self that facebook is xyz, and starts to believe it. I do think the force of public opinion has forced him to reconsider some beliefs about everyone being open about everything.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by CaptainZapp »

basch wrote: post #143
CaptainZapp wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks [1] [1] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg I see absolutely no indication that Mr. Zuckerberg changed his attitude since th…

Im aware of the quote. I just think theres more cognitive dissonance than evil. He tells him self that facebook is xyz, and starts to believe it. I do think the force of public opinion has forced him to reconsider some beliefs about everyone being open about everything.

It may be a bit of both.

Sort of like CEO's making north of 20M a year and being completely oblivious to the fact that this is so far away from the norm and in his opinion it's perfectly OK to make thousand times the money of the (outsourced) janitor.

Nevertheless I feel that Facebook, including its top level managers, is one of the most untrustworthy companies around. If you think about it, their businessmodel absolutely requires it. I leave it to the reader if this is judged as evil (I obviously do).

For the record: I don't use any of their properties since 2013 and it galls me that I'm still tracked and spied on to the hilt and back.

edit: slight clarify

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by basch »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #144
basch wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im aware of the quote. I just think theres more cognitive dissonance than evil. He tells him self that facebook is xyz, and starts to believe it. I do think the force of public opinion has forced him to reconsider some beliefs about everyone being open about everything.

It may be a bit of both. Sort of like CEO's making north of 20M a year and being completely oblivious to the fact that this is so far away from the norm and in his opinion it's perfectly OK to make thousand times the money of the (outsourced) janitor. Nevertheless I feel that Facebook, including its top level managers, is one of the most untrustworthy companies around. If you think about it, their businessmodel absol…

untrustworthy in an ethical sense, BUT from a technical competence sense I trust them not to leak my data _in a hack_ quite a bit more than about 99% of companies.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by basch »

elorant wrote: post #97
rock_hard wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of shadow profiles are pure speculation born out of the idea that just because FB can it will keep every bit of data. When in reality FB just like any other well company has only stores what it needs as long as it needs to provide the services they do. On that note I might add that most data (if it wasn’t to begin with) becomes meaningless after a few days

So how come when you first join FB it starts suggesting people to befriend who you already know? The only way to do that is by collecting information in the background for every living being. They aggregate everything and then they make correlations. By the time you decide to join they have a pretty good idea about people you might know. I can't see any other way for something like that to work.

All your friends uploaded their phone books. When you signed up, facebook searched for your number.

The nuance with a shadow profile basically comes down to when facebook compiles the relationship of your data into a single entry. People think if they do it ahead of time, its weird.

People also seem to ignore that facebook BUYS a lot of data, just like many other marketing data conglomerate.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by closeparen »

starbugs wrote: post #76
tehjoker wrote: post #17

Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent. We c…

It seems rather hard to find a legal way to outlaw the business model. I wonder whether there's a way to make spying so unprofitable that the business model simply isn't attractive anymore? Legislation that would force businesses to pay for collecting user data (maybe a tax on user data) might be a start, but I don't see how something like that could be implemented successfully.

Democracies are accountable only to issues that affect turnout in swing districts. Businesses are accountable to everything that might send transactions to competitors.

It’s quite difficult to stop using Facebook, but it’s effectively impossible to get an electoral outcome changed over a niche technical issue, or even a general one like the trains not working.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by fit2rule »

tehjoker wrote: post #17

Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent. We c…

>We must go further and outlaw this business model.

We need to make social-discovery and network services a function of the OS and not a 3rd-party service over which the user has no agency.

In my opinion we are in this dilemma because OS vendors fell asleep at the wheel, and such things as a well-working, inbuilt common system service are instead a behind-the-walled-garden/-data-center service that has been usurped from the user.

So, same as it ever was: the corporate control over social networking (and lets just call it that, because that's what these systems are) is only 'a thing' because our systems - our computers - and the OS they run, out of the box - have been usurped for the purpose.

So, lets just continue with seeing iron-grip over single points of the network (i.e. Facebook, et al.) as the damage it is, indeed, and route around it.

i.e. we don't need legal harassment - just better system services which allow discovery and sharing with our peers without discarding near-full agency to a sinister, shady, corporate third-party.

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