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US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

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#141

If only someone could have seen this coming, you know, outside of the thousands of people that saw this coming. This is just one of many reasons why mass surveillance is a terrible.

Why is it terrible. Sure this has the potential to have negative consequences for the people who's data it was but as far as the government cares it's working fine.

Now the innocent muslim community (who I expect are over-represented in these databases) gets to enjoy identity theft.

It's just a pile on at this point.

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> The government is never held accountable for mistakes they make. In a functioning democracy "they" is "us".

In one that is not too large to fail, I'd agree. We have a monolithic government that has been going away from "they" since the state restricted the size of the House of Representatives and have shifted more and more responsibility and power to the federal branch. It's no different than the same moral hazard large corporations face that we empower through cronyism and the effects are obvious, notably events leading u…

Some endeavors carry significant risk but the rewards are also significant. The infrastructure doesn't have to be completely dismantled because one endeavor failed (however catastrophically). Why cause more pain than is necessary?

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

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According to the report, CBP is passing the buck on this one. They created policies that could be ignored. That’s on them. They shouldn’t be able to use their position to avoid accountability or to scapegoat their contractors (that they likely hired without due diligence). Government agencies should never be seen as victims. They hold power and authority that nobody else can hope to enjoy. There is no higher power to…

There’s a lot going on here, and I’m no fan of CBP but this is pretty much a low-grade by the book contractor failure here. They receive training on all of these things, and have gone through a lengthy award and due diligence process and then all it takes is one person thinking “hey I think I’ll take a sample dataset back to my Dev laptop to test things.” Could be a newbie or a senior - who knows, but it’s happened b…

> There’s a lot going on here, and I’m no fan of CBP but this is pretty much a low-grade by the book contractor failure here.

Maybe government agencies shouldn't be allowed to contract out. And if they are, then they should be held ultimately responsible for their choice of contractors.

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

#144

You can outsource work, you can't outsource responsibility. It will likely be a long time before the various powers that be really get this.

Isn't monetary liability a form of "outsourced responsibility"? I'm not understanding why damages from lawsuits are not sufficiently motivating the industry to take data breaches seriously. Maybe they just aren't awarding enough damages to change behavior?

Think liability insurance, by the same companies who charge you healthcare. We are spreading the cost of irresponsible folks across society then bailing out the companies who make those choices.

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

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Same story that is also trending on the HN homepage right now... My comment from that story which is from ( https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/daveyalba/the-us-govern... ): Quote from the article: “There should never have been the ability to download a database like this off of government servers.” Sorry that I don't have a ton of links to support this claim, but "believe me" (as our Commander-in-chief would say) t…

> Quote from the article: “There should never have been the ability to download a database like this off of government servers.”

I love when I read quotes like this that are so obviously written by non-tech people that have no idea what they're talking about.

As we at HN all know, if it exists digitally, it can - and will - be downloaded. End of story.

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

#146

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Only politically connected companies, if you and I ran a business like that the outcome would have been different. The state has no problem going after small businesses.

This is kind of tautological, because if you're keeping databases of this size you are necessarily not a small business

Who said the database needed to be of any particular size?

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot going on here, and I’m no fan of CBP but this is pretty much a low-grade by the book contractor failure here. They receive training on all of these things, and have gone through a lengthy award and due diligence process and then all it takes is one person thinking “hey I think I’ll take a sample dataset back to my Dev laptop to test things.” Could be a newbie or a senior - who knows, but it’s happened b…

> There’s a lot going on here, and I’m no fan of CBP but this is pretty much a low-grade by the book contractor failure here. Maybe government agencies shouldn't be allowed to contract out. And if they are, then they should be held ultimately responsible for their choice of contractors.

Non-military, executive branch headcount has remained relatively consistent in absolute numbers since the 1950s, believe it or not, at ~2 million, even though the budget has expanded enormously. Sources:

Historical table: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-docu...

A concurrence in my assessment: https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/federal-government-gr... ("So, since 1960, federal spending, adjusted for inflation, has quintupled and federal undertakings have multiplied like dandelions, but the federal civilian workforce has expanded only negligibly, to approximately what it was when Dwight Eisenhower was elected in 1952." Note I'm not necessarily agreeing with the sentiments expressed elsewhere in that article.)

AFAIU for over half a century there's been something of a gentlemen's agreement in Congress among Democrats and Republicans that keeps the official headcount fixed while expanding government through contractors--the closest thing to a wide-spread "conspiracy" (tongue-in-cheek) I've ever seen. Of course, lobbyists and the contracting industry play a huge part in maintaining the system, but IMO that overlays the long-term political equilibrium reached in Congress.

One reason I finger Congress, and not lobbyists, as the principal supporters of the system is that Democrats would much rather have full-time federal employees, so they're clearly compromising. It's hard to say what Republicans want, but to many Republicans hiring contractors 1) squares limited government with electoral pressures to "do stuff" at the federal level, and 2) superficially provides better price signaling through competitive bidding (though if we're honest that's... complicated). Note how the numbers remain conspicuously stable across major domestic and international political shifts. It's fascinating.

State and local government workforces have ballooned, and a lot of federal expenditures are administered via state-based programs. But that doesn't conflict with the "conspiracy" noted above, it's arguably just a way for the Democrats and Republicans to jockey around it.

Re: US Customs Database Of Traveler Photos Was Hacked And Stolen

#150

If only someone could have seen this coming, you know, outside of the thousands of people that saw this coming. This is just one of many reasons why mass surveillance is a terrible.

Why is it terrible. Sure this has the potential to have negative consequences for the people who's data it was but as far as the government cares it's working fine.

Well, I guess I believe the whole government for the people by the people bit so something that is bad for the people should be bad for the government.
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