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Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by dessant »

judge2020 wrote: post #112
dessant wrote: post #39

I was going through the same ordeal as a Firefox user, so I've made Buster to solve challenges and reclaim some of that lost time: https://github.com/dessant/buster If you're a developer, please consider replacing reCAPTCHA on your site with an alternative. reCAPTCHA discriminates against people with disabilities and those who seek privacy, and it gaslights you into thinking you did not solve the challenge correctly,…

The problem with recaptcha alternatives is that they either are insecure or require time and money to continue to be ahead of bots. All of the "interactive stand-alone approaches" from that page can be beaten with run-of-the-mill OCR (other than perhaps the 3d challenge) and with almost any mobile phone speech recognition engine (and, if the attacker has the money, can send it off to Google's cloud speech-to-text). A…

Hobby sites may be in a more difficult position, but businesses may decide between developer convenience and low cost, or excluding some of their users and tormenting them.

There are also ways to reduce the damage reCAPTCHA causes, such as keeping it out of the default UX path. Discord for example will show a reCAPTCHA challenge on the login page only if you are signing in from a new location.

reCAPTCHA cannot effectively defend sites against targeted attacks either.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by fasthandle »

judge2020 wrote: post #117
novaleaf wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if this is true, I'd love to hear the alternate! I use recaptcha and hate that my chinese customers need to do wacky stuff to circumvent it.

Not sure if this is "officially" supported but I believe you can proxy the `api.js` file yourself without issue.

The photos or voice still needs to come from from somewhere. The somewhere is google.com. The .com is blocked.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by akeck »

yumraj wrote: post #43

Turbo Tax uses Google Captcha when trying to import information from financial institutions. While filing taxes, on several occasions I had to just give up and try again after several hours because the Captcha won't let me pass through and after several attempts Turbo Tax will throw an error - to come back later. It was literally a Nightmare

It's a bit more expensive, but for this type of thing and other reasons, I now use a CPA.

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by cyphar »

I find it incredible that modern reCAPTCHA exists and is legal.

Aside from the the obviously concerning censorship that happens if you try to access reCAPTCHA-locked sites over Tor, it is literally forcing internet users to do free labour for Google so that can train their AI for whatever project they're doing.

So not only is it a tax on using the internet (paid in seconds to minutes of human existence each time -- I bet reCAPTCHA has collectively cost humanity thousands of lifetimes of wasted effort solving stupid puzzles) and it creates censorship, it also is an act of charity on our part that we provide Google free work with no benefit for ourselves. Given that they literally pay people to do (something similar to) what we are doing for free, I wonder it there are labour law arguments to be made (we aren't paid anything for this work which Google clearly is willing to employ people to do).

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by Dammitnigga »

SCHiM wrote: post #94

Big rant, there are few things I hate more than filling out their endless useless CAPTCHA's when browsing websites that have nothing to do with Google. Google is a hypocritical pile of burning . They use bots right? They scrape websites, they infest everything from my banking website to console emulators with their tracking, and yet we little people are not allowed to scrape or interface with the web programmatically…

Why u mad when the 4chan hacker ddos your website don't cry. Blame the tool user not the tool maker

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by michaelt »

SamWhited wrote: post #75

I thought this was just me and their stupid caption being impossible for even humans to solve; turns out I was just being gaslighted this entire time and they're just discriminating against Firefox users? How does the EU or someone not shut down this sort of anti-competative monopolostic nosense? I didn't think I could get more furious about having to struggle with these captions all day, but somehow I am. Please eve…

  they're just discriminating
  against Firefox users?
At least part of the behaviour shown in the video depends on factors like cookies, IP address, and whether you have features like anti-fingerprinting protection turned on. [1]

Recaptcha is frustrating and I dislike it, especially the slow fade-ins and multiple challenges, but if you repeat the test shown in the video you won't find it 100% repeatable just because you're using Firefox.

[1] https://github.com/google/recaptcha/issues/268#issuecomment-...

Re: Google's Captcha in Firefox vs. in Chrome

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Post by shawnz »

fasthandle wrote: post #142
judge2020 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if this is "officially" supported but I believe you can proxy the `api.js` file yourself without issue.

The photos or voice still needs to come from from somewhere. The somewhere is google.com. The .com is blocked.

Please see my other reply in this thread: "recaptcha.net" can also be used. Is that blocked in China too? I can't find a clear answer.
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