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Post by SoupyDolphin »

xirdstl wrote: post #133
KukicAdnan wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big advantage Stadia has over GeForce Now is that for GeForce Now you have to have a machine capable of playing those games in the first place. If you have a great gaming PC, then Stadia probably isn't for you. Edit: I was mistaken. i was thinking on nVidia GameStream feature that allows you to stream from your PC to Shiled in your home.

GeForce Now is streaming like Stadia. You don’t need a great PC. You don’t need any PC.

This. You don't need a PC at all, I don't have one, just a TV and a Shield, and GeForce Now works great for me. I just buy Steam games through their website and it works perfectly.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by atq2119 »

blueboo wrote: post #107
atq2119 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competitive games, at least competitive shooter games, are really the worst application for this though because they suffer the most from input-to-display latency. Games like League of legends might be fine though.

They suffer from uneven or inconsistent input-to-display latency. If Stadia can give everyone the same, (hopefully) modest amount of latency, the games remain as fair as they ever were

I'm not entirely sure, but you may have misunderstood my point. It's not about fairness, it's about whether it is physically possible to play the game on the same level of skill.

Talking about shooters, in the traditional multiplayer setup input-to-display latency isn't actually a concern, because input-to-display doesn't go over the network at all. When you move your mouse, the display update loop doesn't contain a network roundtrip. There is only the concern of latency to the server for resolving which hits actually connect, and I agree with you that having this latency be roughly the same for everybody is probably quite a bit more important than how low it is.

With game streaming, the input-to-display loop does include a network roundtrip, which makes it harder to aim.

If you've ever tried to play a shooter with That's what the concern is with competitive shooter play on game streaming services. (And it's why I wrote that other types of competitive games may not be affected as much, but it's been a long time since I've played a lot of games, so what do I know...)

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by rkeene2 »

xirdstl wrote: post #133
KukicAdnan wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big advantage Stadia has over GeForce Now is that for GeForce Now you have to have a machine capable of playing those games in the first place. If you have a great gaming PC, then Stadia probably isn't for you. Edit: I was mistaken. i was thinking on nVidia GameStream feature that allows you to stream from your PC to Shiled in your home.

GeForce Now is streaming like Stadia. You don’t need a great PC. You don’t need any PC.

It does not look like I can use it from either my Chromebook or my TV (Roku or Chromecast), where as Stadia indicates that it will be playable on my Chromebook, Android phone, and Chromecast.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by taude »

SoupyDolphin wrote: post #109

Discussions around Stadia always fail to mention the alternatives. I've been using GeForce Now with a Nvidia Shield for over a year now and it's been a great experience. The hardware costs are the same as the Stadia ($130), it's free to use while the beta period lasts, and you can play all the games you've already purchased on Steam, BattleNet, Epic etc. in 4k. Why would I buy all the games AGAIN on Stadia when I can…

THis is cool to hear about, since I've been considering an NVidia Shield TV for awhile now for some other use cases. But being able to play my Steam collection, without having a PC around would be awesome, too. In fact, I really don't have much use for my PC anymore, then.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by stefan_ »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #58
bt3 wrote: post #14

Can someone explain the tech here? Obviously the brains of this is a Google data center beaming the game through a Chromecast to your TV (or in-app on your Pixel/ whatever). Is there any tech in the controller? What "costs" $129 if there's a subscription model attached to this? If the controller is indeed "dumb" (just sending inputs), why wouldn't there be compatibility with Xbox or PS4 controllers? If the history of…

> Is there any tech in the controller? Yes. The controller connects directly to your game instance over WiFi. It doesn't need to go through a box first and be relayed (this can shave a significant amount of latency off controller inputs). > What "costs" $129 if there's a subscription model attached to this? For $129 you get a controller ($69), a Chromecast Ultra ($60), 3 months of Stadia Pro ($30), the full Destiny 2…

> this can shave a significant amount of latency off controller inputs

How on earth would it do that? WiFi alone is a significant part of the latency here! Not to mention the huge jitter it brings. Screw in your smart cheap-ass 802.11b light bulb and watch your game feel off.

No, they want this stuff to work with Chrome out of the box and so they needed to cut out the middle-man anyway, and people aren't exactly prepared to put an Ethernet cable into it. But let's not pretend WiFi is somehow an improvement over connecting it to a PC that just blasts your input out through Ethernet (where it then traverses all the same boxes that it does "over WiFi" anyways, minus the shared medium that is used to stream 4k to your TV)

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by Mobius01 »

KukicAdnan wrote: post #128
SoupyDolphin wrote: post #109

Discussions around Stadia always fail to mention the alternatives. I've been using GeForce Now with a Nvidia Shield for over a year now and it's been a great experience. The hardware costs are the same as the Stadia ($130), it's free to use while the beta period lasts, and you can play all the games you've already purchased on Steam, BattleNet, Epic etc. in 4k. Why would I buy all the games AGAIN on Stadia when I can…

The big advantage Stadia has over GeForce Now is that for GeForce Now you have to have a machine capable of playing those games in the first place. If you have a great gaming PC, then Stadia probably isn't for you. Edit: I was mistaken. i was thinking on nVidia GameStream feature that allows you to stream from your PC to Shiled in your home.

You’re mistaken about GeForce Now - it streams games running in nVidia’s servers. If I remember correctly, based on Intel Xeon and their own Volta GPUs.

GeForce Now has its own library of streamable titles for purchase, but it also allows you to link your Steam (and others) account to authorize streaming of games you already own and happen to be available in their library. But they run remotely.

I was very impressed with it, and my comparisons between streaming from nVidia’s remote servers or my own gaming PC yielded negligible differences in visual performance and latency. Your mileage will naturally vary.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by jonas21 »

Grazester wrote: post #90
kyrra wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft came out of no-where with the original XBox. You had Playstation, Nintendo, and Sega. It can happen, just need the right motivations for customers. And if 5G lives up to it's promises, this will be one of those first great products to take advantage of that extra bandwidth.

Microsoft Xbox persevered only because of Microsoft's deep pockets not because they necessarily did anything different enough to attract gamers. It was not a successful console.

Funny, I know someone else who has deep pockets.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by freehunter »

tills13 wrote: post #112
jonathanhd wrote: post #46

This is astoundingly cheap. In fact its too cheap, €10/month works out to €360 + €130 over a 3 year hardware cycle which is barely enough for a not-really-capable 4k GPU as it is, without costing all the additional services/hardware. And to put it bluntly, these games are second-rate titles from the last year. From this announcement I guess that this is mostly just another data farming play that will never generate a…

> too cheap I'm astounded at HN's ability to spin anything as a negative. > these games are second-rate titles from the last year since when were games like AC: Odyssey or BL3 "second rate"? Of course they aren't going to have all games (out of the gate, we can assume they are working on licensing) or have exclusive titles (for obvious reasons).

>I'm astounded at HN's ability to spin anything as a negative.

Usually I'm right there with you, but Google doesn't exactly have a good public perception around products and services without good profit margins. If they're not making money from it, it could be shut down at any moment (even for paid physical hardware, like the Nexus Q). "Too cheap" is a real fear.

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