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SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by Helloworldboy »

lallysingh wrote: post #92
leetcrew wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because (we're meant to assume at least) that's why they did poorly in the test in the first place?

I don't think the factor is for kids who did poorly. This is a bonus (AFAICT) added on top of a reasonable test result. One that indicates that the student had some hardship that they overcame to get the result. Which should make the result count more as the kid had to go through more to get it done. Who's more impressive on average? Students with a 1200 SAT in an area with low crime and upper middle class income, or…

Neither, they both learned the same shit

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Post by khawkins »

The SAT itself has been shown to be a poor measure of performance in college when compared to high school GPA or the challenge level of the coursework offered [1]. Instead of trying to turn students into numbers, we should demand college admissions employees do their jobs and actually look at the applications.

[1] http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/What-Matters-M...

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Post by perfmode »

rhegart wrote: post #131

Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

Can you make an argument why this would be considered about “outcome” for the purpose of conversation?

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rhegart wrote: post #131

Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by nostrademons »

brlewis wrote: post #129
scott_s wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I highly doubt you'll find a lot of poor white kids in West Virginia getting boosted scores via this scheme. That is exactly what I expect to happen - as well as poor kids who happen to belong to racial minorities. The College Board published the criteria they will use to calculate the score. Race is not one of the criteria. But you're saying that race will not only be used, but be the primary criteria. So, let…

Can you please link to the College Board's list of criteria? In the article I could only find two examples out of 15.

Been posted a couple times in subthreads here, including the grandparent-post:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1129009648214921216

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sat-adversity-score-college-boa...

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by neilv »

BooneJS wrote: post #112
Glyptodon wrote: post #18

This seems likely to end up being ugly. For example wealthy people could buy or rent addresses in "adverse" neighborhoods, or charter schools might locate offices there, in order to attempt to improve scores on this metric. At the same time this won't be able to identify many adverse life circumstances like abusive parents, cancer, etc. What it does do is outsource components of admissions decisions the colleges may…

There’s tales of Bay Area families renting and moving their HS juniors and seniors to the Central Valley where UC accepts a higher percentage from.

I was talking to someone who's been involved in elite university admissions, and gaming for the city/neighborhood/HS has been a known tactic for a while.

There's a related tactic for people in affluent suburbs, for getting their child into urban school districts with an especially well-regarded primary public school: buy a house or condo in the city, and try to make it look on your application like that's your primary residence.

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