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Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ekianjo wrote: post #138
TeMPOraL wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are organizations that leave a lot of opportunities for working level employees to propose new ideas and initiatives. Note that's still central control, just with fatter signalling pipe which can send ideas upstairs, and not just results. Directions and evaluations still come from the top.

> Directions and evaluations still come from the top. Precisely not as I have pointed out. It's like saying a democracy is a centrally controlled system as well, since you only have one government. But in practice the government listens to the people in order to decide what to do next. It goes both ways.

Democracy does not mean "government listens to people". Every sane government, democratic or not, does listen to people to some extent. Democracy involves particular set procedures - like voting in candidates, referendums - through which the people do get to express their opinion, and which make that opinion binding. The government can't refuse to follow it, lest it loses legitimacy. There's nothing like that in a typical company or corporation.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by throwtt78oo65 »

porlune wrote: post #88
paulcarroty wrote: post #64

Chinese government are hyper coward, it's going to be fun. ”You’re braver than you believe, stronger than you seem and smarter than you think.” – Winnie the Pooh

Side-note: Winnie the Pooh has been used as a sort of caricature of Xi Jinping.

Additional side-note: Winne the Pooh is not banned in China, despite what the media is reporting.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by vaylian »

klibertp wrote: post #131
vaylian wrote: post #93

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Interesting comment. You make it sound like the real internet happens to be US-centric. Yes, many important projects are hosted on Gitlab and Github, but there are also other ways to share code. And these alternatives might not be that well known to us developers in the western world.

> but there are also other ways to share code. And these alternatives might not be that well known to us developers in the western world. What ways are that? We do know about sneakernet and emailing tarballs, but I guess it has to be something else? I'm curious.

How about setting up your own git remote?

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by vaylian »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #126
vaylian wrote: post #93

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Interesting comment. You make it sound like the real internet happens to be US-centric. Yes, many important projects are hosted on Gitlab and Github, but there are also other ways to share code. And these alternatives might not be that well known to us developers in the western world.

I think he just meant that the "real internet" is the one where you can go to a website that isn't controlled by the Chinese government?

That could be the right interpretation. It still struck me as odd to think that no access to Github and Gitlab would prevent anyone from developing software. Others HNers have listed other resources that are difficult to access from China and I have to agree that without documentation it becomes really difficult to solve many issues that one might encounter.

It's not that difficult to set up your own git remote. But if you don't have access to documentation for your libraries it really becomes tough.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by namelosw »

throwtt78oo65 wrote: post #142
porlune wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side-note: Winnie the Pooh has been used as a sort of caricature of Xi Jinping.

Additional side-note: Winne the Pooh is not banned in China, despite what the media is reporting.

Additional (additional side-note): 'Winne the Pooh' movie has been banned[0]

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ekianjo wrote: post #74
pjc50 wrote: post #25

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> communism is ultimately like telling every car where they should go rather than just putting up street-signs. Ironically, in the capitalist future, each car will decide where to go through a computer system controlled by a single company instead.

You will tell the car where you want to go. Thats a key difference.

Will you? Or will the car go to whomever paid most for on-line ads?

(And I'm not even joking. Somebody soon will have the "brilliant" insight that "going to a place" isn't what the consumers truly want - surely, they want for some thing they desire to happen, and they may be flexible about the physical location of that thing, or about who's gonna do that thing.)

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by JayXon »

kostajh wrote: post #46

This article was accurate at the time but AFAIK the situation has changed. For context: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T208263#5170123 tl;dr There were unintended consequences from refactoring DNS configuration and the situation should be back to “normal” now.

I think they were talking about wikimedia.org also being blocked due to CNAME to wikipedia.org which is now blocked, and they fixed it by CNAME to dyna.wikimedia.org instead, but wikipedia.org is still blocked: https://en.greatfire.org/https/en.wikipedia.org

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by nroets »

gnomewascool wrote: post #96
nroets wrote: post #79

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And I just tried. i It's blocked

Interesting. Presumably that means that all of the ipfs.io domain is blocked(?). You could try it on some other IPFS gateways. For instance: https://ipfs.jes.xxx/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQk... or https://cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72... There's a list of gateways[0][1] (hopefully github isn't blocked...) in case these two are also blocked. You could also try just using IPFS directly…

Ipfs.jes.xxx is not blocked and I could read what I wanted. But sometimes it gives 504 Gateway Timeout errors.

GitHub is working. Cloud fare ipfs and ipfs.io are both blocked.

Many Chinese here in Shenzhen use VPNs to access YouTube and Facebook. So it's the easiest and most reliable way to access Wikipedia.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by throwtt78oo65 »

namelosw wrote: post #145
throwtt78oo65 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additional side-note: Winne the Pooh is not banned in China, despite what the media is reporting.

Additional (additional side-note): 'Winne the Pooh' movie has been banned[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

Additional (Additional (additional side-note)): No it’s not. The Guardian and other articles are wrong. [0]

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/au5hd6/is_winnie_the...

In addition, Peppa Pig is not banned and neither are time travel shows. In 2018, there were over 20 TV shows that had time travel in them.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Post by lostmsu »

yardstick wrote: post #99
andreareina wrote: post #24

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That's called "domain fronting", the major cloud providers disallow it and enforce that the Host header must match the SNI.

This is likely the major reason why China has not yet blocked the major cloud providers. As soon as they allow ESNI/domain fronting, all bets are off as to what China will block.

They explicitly started doing this after Telegram used domain fronting to work around Russian censorship, which caused large chunks of AWS and GCP addresses to be blocked in Russia.
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