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It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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I understand that they can be made to autoplay with no controls, but I don't even want the possibility of them being paused. This way the format has no choice but to behave as expected across everything.

I don't see why we can't use the IMG tag for video and the VIDEO tag for images. They should be unified, with all the same media formats supported. IMG would autoplay, would not have sound, would loop, and would not have controls. VIDEO would be the opposite. For something like a plain JPG or PNG file, it just shows the one frame. Animated GIF files would of course benefit from the controls. The same should go for un…

Agree. Safari has already made moves for this[1], but Chrome seems to be resistant[2].

[1] https://calendar.perfplanet.com/2017/animated-gif-without-th... [2] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=791658

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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Challenge accepted. https://www.hampsterdance.com/classics/originaldance.htm Just did it on my 2011 MacBook Air. Pushes all four cores up... about 15%.

> Just did it on my 2011 MacBook Air. Pushes all four cores up... about 15%. 15% of 4 cores ~ 60% single core capacity. That's distinct from saturating a core both qualitatively and quantitatively, which means the prediction is not a bullseye... but it's on the order of magnitude in impact, which means they're not entirely wrong.

True, but it's an eight-year-old computer. And it wasn't exactly a computing powerhouse when it was released.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

#146
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For whatever reason my browser is crashing when trying to read this article, so I guess I'll keep my GIFs.

I've noticed Firefox crashes more often than Chromium based browsers. Most likely a point in time thing as Firefox updates to the latest version of dav1d decoder

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

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post #126

At this point, killing GIF is a UX problem, not a format problem. I've talked about this before [0], but the big problem for me is that video is just difficult as hell. Compared to a GIF, it is just that much harder to save a video on a phone, and then upload it the same way as an image. Try to save a "GIF" from Twitter or from GIPHY - it's a /huge/ pain. Whatever the GIF killer is will need to pass the right click t…

The issue is that very often the "good enough" solution is what sticks. Gif are good enough and the world is not in a hurry to adopt a replacement.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

#149

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> Youtube has been serving webm/vp9 video for years, so does that mean VP9 Youtube is unavailable on Apple platforms? Youtube serves h.264 to Apple platforms.

Well not if users force VP9 using something like youtube-dl and pipe to a compatible player. But I looked it up and the reason Apple refuses to adopt VP9 is not so arbitrary but rather because they're part of MPEG LA, with HEVC being the competitor to VP9. It's unfortunate that there's so much fragmentation with standards simply because of corporate interests.

It is unfortunate but it’s been happening forever.

And yet, things continue to work and continue to progress for the most part, so format wars aren’t necessarily as big a problem as we like to think.

Re: It's time to replace GIFs with AV1 video

#150

The VP9 and AV1 aren't loading in my browser, (latest Safari on Mojave 10.14.4). I understand pushing for progress, but with this table, I'm not sure "it's time" just yet. https://caniuse.com/#feat=av1

Maybe this would incentive Apple into supporting these formats. For vp9, it seems to me there isn't any good excuse for not supporting it.
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