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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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post #32

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All you really have to do is look at the current e-Tron and iPace efficiency numbers-- the Model X, which is a heavier vehicle with a smaller battery, goes farther.

Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

nothing says luxury like Jaguars laggy infotainment ala $30 android tablet

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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post #106

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Quality, amenities, service experience, stuff like that. Not making things inherently more dangerous is nice, too.

Model 3 is safest production car to the date, as most of the car components are integrated problems can be fixed remotely but still when you have to get to Service Center Tesla is notably improving it. Quality of Tesla drive train, battery, efficiency, supercharger network, software ecosystem, Autopilot (which is best driver assist system available now) .

This would have been funny, if you weren't actually being serious. That way it's just sad.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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post #141
post #32

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Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

nothing says luxury like Jaguars laggy infotainment ala $30 android tablet

Jaguar's old supplier of electric parts was known as "the prince of darkness"...

I'll take laggy infotainment over a system where you have to use touchscreen to adjust temperature any day, though. Nothing says "a responsible car maker" like having autopilot drive you into a firetruck while you're fiddling with the touchscreen.

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post #108

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CleanTechnica reports that VW sold 10.000 eGolfs in EU in 2018 Q1 + Q2, so that claim of "1400" sounds very very wrong. According to Wiki they sold 30k vehicles at minimum before 2018. Nowhere near Tesla 3 numbers, but claiming that it only sold 1400 vehicles is just wrong.

They sold approximately 4000 in each of the three years prior to 2018, in the USA. I didn't say they sold 1400 through 2018, I said 1400 in 2018. These numbers come from InsideEVs.

Last year they sold about 7200 to Norway alone[1]. They apparently had low production capacity but is ramping up and expects to sell over 10k in Norway this year.

[1]: https://www.tek.no/artikler/i-fjor-hadde-vw-ett-ars-levering...

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

#145
post #28

What game industry and preorders have taught us — never do any preorders until the real thing is out and first reviews start coming in.

It’s not a preorder but a reservation. You can get your money back any time

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

#146
post #4

Is there a reason to start this new model name vs simply calling it the 2020 "eGolf"? Is the eGolf basically a hack design and the ID3 a true, ground-up electric design?

Or VW is trying to get some association with Tesla model 3 Wow how very uncreative, I would be too embarrassed by such blatant copying model => Id 3 => 3 New name ID3

cough BMW i3

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

#147
post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

What issue did you have?

I have a 2015 Jetta TDI and opted to keep it and get the payout and modifications. I had no issues at all, I got paid the specified amount at the specified milestones and got a rental paid for by VW for the days the car was at the dealer. I've currently got ~110,000 miles on the car and other than a few minor cosmetic interior issues its been good car.

I expect to keep it for another 100K at least and my next car I expect will be electric.

For context my previous car was 2002 Subaru WRX that I put 340,000 miles on, with a top end engine rebuild at ~180k, after a "friend" who borrowed it continued to drive it after the radiator return hose burst and it overheated.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Just need one. It looks and feels cheap. Very much similar to what you would get in a Hyundai or Mazda. Go spend some time in a new Audi, Mercedes, Range Rover and you will see the difference.

I guess you have not driven a Tesla yet. I would recommend experience Tesla for more than a day it just changes everything.

Unless it comes with Elon's Reality Distortion Generator(tm) these days, no, it doesn't.

Unless your goal is getting an EV for the sake of getting an EV (Tesla's are certainly best here so far), thew only thing that spending more than a day in a Tesla changes is that I want to go kick Elon's behind even harder.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

What issue did you have? I have a 2015 Jetta TDI and opted to keep it and get the payout and modifications. I had no issues at all, I got paid the specified amount at the specified milestones and got a rental paid for by VW for the days the car was at the dealer. I've currently got ~110,000 miles on the car and other than a few minor cosmetic interior issues its been good car. I expect to keep it for another 100K at…

I sent my initial reply in fairly quickly, and got a restitution offer letter back. However, that was only the beginning.

First, they offered to pay half before the modification, then half after the modification. After I got the final final approved offer, it was only all after the modification.

The modification wasn't possible right away, because they hadn't decided what to do yet. Eventually they decided to offer a fix for these engines, and the EPA eventually agreed to allow that fix for my engine. But that was the better part of a year. When the fixes were begun to be rolled out, the initial reports were dismal, with reports of engines running rough and bad performance. The message began to be "don't let them touch your car." I decided to wait until at least the second half of the window for modifications to be performed so that the bugs could get thoroughly worked out.

Meanwhile, life got more complicated. I started moving from one state to another, and that meant three homes in two years. Since I couldn't register the car in the new state until after the repair was done, I needed to extend my registration in the old state.

After the second move, I was able to complete the process, and the approved modification was available. I went to complete the process, but due to moving to the new state I needed to re-do all of the original paperwork, and I needed to send a letter stating what I had done.

They restarted my application process twice.

There was a fault in their system that left my application in an inconsistent state, resulting in errors in the court settlement web site. I spent time on the phone working through that, with multiple people.

At one point I needed to print out a dozen sheets and mail them in. While not a big deal, I don't normally print stuff, so getting a printer located and working is just another hurdle.

After another set of failures in getting the system sorted, they actually requested that I fax in documents.

FAX.

And after all that, I missed the deadline for the dealer work by 2 days.

My appeal to their 3-member appeal review board was filed within the 15-day window, but it was denied.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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post #65
post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

Heh, yeah people complain about that generation of cars from VAG quite a bit.

I had a MK4 Golf with the 1.8T that I raced every month for a few years and also drove to work. It broke a couple times, but wasn't unreliable. I think this was partly because I did preventative maintenance.

I think - the motors were fine for the MK4s, but everything around them had one problem or another.

The motor is going into my next car... :)

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