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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bronson »

lucb1e wrote: post #118
bronson wrote: post #110

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> If lacking life is what's cruel Nobody's arguing this, are they? If you do believe this, then I hope you're breeding rats, rabbits, and insects as fast as possible!

I think you two agree. They said that if that is your definition of cruelty, then vegetarianism can't help you. Not that the lack of life is cruel. You're being cynical with someone who didn't even say one side was right and the other is wrong.

But nobody has EVER argued that, have they?

I'm saying it's a pointless statement and trying to demonstrate its ridiculousness.

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Post by wy35 »

whitepoplar wrote: post #59
paulcole wrote: post #32

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How could there be? Products like Beyond Meat are barely a decade old.

So if we don't know its longterm health effects, why are people so eager to replace meat with it in their diet?

People are eager to reduce meat consumption in general due to meat's heavy environmental impact, questionable ethics in factory farming, and general unsustainability due to a growing population. Because it's made of commonly available plant-based ingredients like pea protein and canola oil, Beyond meat is highly unlikely to have long-term health effects. Society is advanced enough to properly identify every essential nutrient that comes from meat and recreate it in a plant-based form, so why not replace meat?

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Post by delecti »

lucb1e wrote: post #122
delecti wrote: post #85

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Lacking life isn't a remotely useful metric for cruelty, or every minute decision anyone has ever made is responsible for an infinite number of states of the universe not happening.

They're not saying that this is a logical metric, they're saying that if that is your metric, then vegetarianism won't help you.

But they were the first one to mention anything resembling that metric. There's no reason to bring it up unless you think someone uses that metric, or alternatively as a straw man to argue against.

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Post by rootusrootus »

PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

I tried the impossible burger last week, from a local chain called Super Deluxe which aims to reproduce the basic burgers from In-n-out (and mostly does quite a good job). I could tell it wasn't meat, but it was a near thing. The texture was just slightly too soft. Otherwise it wasn't half bad.

What did surprise me was the aftertaste. I get a fairly strong aftertaste when I eat chicken, for example, but not beef. I'm certain not everyone experiences that, and I've never had an explanation. Interestingly, after the impossible burger I got the same strong aftertaste. That may be a clue I can use to identify what causes it to happen for me.

I'd have another one, but I do prefer the beef version a little, and I don't often go to Super Deluxe so when I do it's going to be the real deal.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by xxpor »

saagarjha wrote: post #70
lotsofpulp wrote: post #54

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It's a finance thing, and it doesn't make sense to continue using it, when you can use k = thousands, M = millions, B = billions, T = trillions, Q = quadrillions and remove all the ambiguity.

Using those is far from “removing all the ambiguity”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

Approximately 0 English speakers use the long scale. Exactly 0 do in the US.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by ppseafield »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #130
bluntfang wrote: post #48

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>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

Ending life is not necessarily cruel...how about for veterinarians utilizing euthanasia? Let's say you have an animal that's 95% going to die sometime within 12-24 hours. If your client can pay $5000, which they can't usually, the chances improve to 50% chance of living. In most cases, for money or for suffering, euthanasia is the least cruel option, as it's vastly more affordable and a painless, harmless process.

Euthanasia and factory farming are apples and oranges. Cows can live up to 20 years, but are often killed at 18-24 months. They aren't killed with euthanasia, but panicked and terrified, with bolts to the skull and slit throats, right after seeing several other cows killed that way. Their lives before that are often miserable to keep costs down.

Is that the least cruel option?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Slippery_John »

daeken wrote: post #39
PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

As a meat eater, I've had mixed results with Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger. With real meat, it's pretty hard to mess up a burger; if it's anywhere from medium rare to medium well, it's still going to be a pretty tasty burger. The current burger substitutes require a much more narrow window before they just don't taste very good. That said, I'm extremely bullish on these; they're already great and they're on…

I've had overdone Beyond meat that just has the texture of rubber before, so can confirm it has a narrower window. I imagine that's why the Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants: it's easier to control the experience.

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Post by ewhanley »

AznHisoka wrote: post #49
vincentmarle wrote: post #43

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M is the Roman numeral for 1000, so MM is a thousand thousands, in other words a million.

It is an awkward notation. Nobody says 100M for $100,000, they say 100K. So why should 100 million be 100MM? It forces people to pause, and think unnecessarily.

Only if by Nobody you mean every person in the oil & gas industry. I find it funny that people get so worked up about different units in different industries. I get that common units would be great for a variety of reasons, but look around - the world can’t even unite on standard units for such tangible things as distance/length. People who work with MM as million are familiar with the vernacular, and it seems unreasonable for them to upend a model that works so a lay audience doesn’t have to pause and think.

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Post by overcast »

ewhanley wrote: post #148
AznHisoka wrote: post #49

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It is an awkward notation. Nobody says 100M for $100,000, they say 100K. So why should 100 million be 100MM? It forces people to pause, and think unnecessarily.

Only if by Nobody you mean every person in the oil & gas industry. I find it funny that people get so worked up about different units in different industries. I get that common units would be great for a variety of reasons, but look around - the world can’t even unite on standard units for such tangible things as distance/length. People who work with MM as million are familiar with the vernacular, and it seems unreas…

I've been in the oil & gas industry for 20 years (IT side of things). We never use MM, I'm looking at last years half year results, and it's "m" across the board.

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Post by ewhanley »

troydavis wrote: post #65
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #41

>Have committed to $22MM of protein I've never understood this convention and it always causes my brain to short-circuit when trying to read it. Is that $22 Million Monies, or $22 MegaMillions I'm assuming that the shorthand is supposed to be read as: $22 Million So then I spend the next 5 minutes stuck in a feedback loop of what the hell am I supposed to be thinking.

I can't claim any first-principles logic for it. I use it because it's standard in finance and accounting, which is usually the audience for SEC filings. It's everywhere in finance. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/181917/mixing-us... has more background.

It’s also used everywhere in oil & gas for both dollars and barrels (another fun unit of measure).
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