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In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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The Venezuelan government destroyed the economy. On top of that, the government is using military force to prevent foreign aid from entering the country. Sanctions make things a little bit worse, and they make Maduro's claims that outside forces are to blame for Venezuela's problems seem more convincing. (Sanctions have the same propaganda effect in North Korea). But in any case, it is pretty clear that the Venezuela…

The economy is predominantly private: it is the sanctions hurting the economy. I refuse to defend Maduro, but he is the peoples’ choice. Yes there are anti-Maduro rallies, but there are also pro-Maduro rallies the media conveniently ignores. Meanwhile, the idea that the US could help without putting someone right wing in place that happens to benefit the supply of fuel against the interests of the people of Venezuela…

He isn't. He assumed presidency in violation of the country's constitutional procedure.

You should also read up on that election. IIRC, he was on the ballot 10 times or so out of 20-something options (a few also had the same person as a candidate, but none nearly as much as Maduro).

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The baffling thing about this is the vast oil wealth the country controls. Its oil reserves are the largest in the word, yet its economy lies in shambles. That takes some serious mismanagement.

The economy of Venezuela lies in shambles due to US intervention and sanctions. Venezuela has very limited access to the world market.

Easily untrue. The US has been 40% of Venezuela's oil export[0]. If they wanted to, they could have obliterated Venezuela's economy in a second.

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/EEPPHOTO...

P.S. I'm Russian and do not have the regional bias.

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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The baffling thing about this is the vast oil wealth the country controls. Its oil reserves are the largest in the word, yet its economy lies in shambles. That takes some serious mismanagement.

There is no mismanagement. This is what happens when organized crime takes control of a country - they milk it for what it's worth and when they are done it is but a lifeless husk.

They do not care a wit for the future and the need to reinvest into production or safety[0], they'll use it while they can, extract what they can and then try to flee the country. Most engineers and doctors have already fled the country.

[0] This includes the country's power system too, Maduro blamed recent blackouts on US hackers, but the entire system is not even digital, so the attack vector for hacking did not exist in the first place. That, and the recent accident on a hydro plant, reported to have been a diversion, carried out by a lone saboteur with a gun...

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You gotta watch it though, srsly. Totally accessible and reasonable.

Do you arm yourself with facts or passion?

We can ride a bike and chew bubblegum at the same time: Trump can be an odious human being (up to/including being unfit to serve) _and_ his political opponents can commit serious crimes in their efforts to defeat him (up to/including treason.)

High-level Obama FBI and intel officials are being investigated for their role in the FISA scandal/lies to congress and most have been removed from their positions.

Just don't want you to be shocked (shocked, I tell you!) when deep state perps get frogmarched off to prison.

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There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.

You really believe: 1) laws are never applied selectively 2) there are no secret laws and secret interpretations 3) parallel construction does not happen ?

No course there is no perfection in our human choices. Laws are sometimes applied selectively. That doesn't mean you just give up and say it's all bad.

There shouldn't be secret laws. There are secret interpretations, I hate that. It doesn't mean I just give up and say everything is bad.

I also think parallel construction is very very harmful. Again, knowing it exists and being against it doesn't mean that I am giving up on the general rule of law.

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There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.

If and when the FISA applications against Carter Page and others in the Trump campaign and transition team are declassified by a vengeful Trump, then we'll know whether the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ and FBI against their political opponents or not. After the declassification, let's discuss about whether there is a failing "deep state" or not. Are you curious to know how many months into the 18-month Rus…

I don't know why it's relevant when Mueller knew some claims against Trump were fake. He was supposed to thoroughly investigate the issues around it. He wasn't supposed to just go until he found one or more issues not supported by facts. Because there can be some allegations that are true, and some that aren't.

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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If and when the FISA applications against Carter Page and others in the Trump campaign and transition team are declassified by a vengeful Trump, then we'll know whether the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ and FBI against their political opponents or not. After the declassification, let's discuss about whether there is a failing "deep state" or not. Are you curious to know how many months into the 18-month Rus…

I don't know why it's relevant when Mueller knew some claims against Trump were fake. He was supposed to thoroughly investigate the issues around it. He wasn't supposed to just go until he found one or more issues not supported by facts. Because there can be some allegations that are true, and some that aren't.

It's relevant if it can be proven there were political motivations in holding those findings until after the midterm elections.

It's very relevant if Mueller was aware right at the start of the investigation that the dossier could not be corroborated. It's already been revealed that the FBI wouldn't have sought the FISA without the dossier. It's also been revealed that the FBI had not corroborated any of the dossier prior to filing the FISA application, nor before any of the monthly renewals.

What's been revealed so far is sketchy, but maybe it will all work out okay for Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein et al. At this point I'm betting Trump is still going to hit back 10x harder. People think Trump is a joke so they write him off, but he's incredibly powerful given the office. I just assume revenge is coming since Trump is who he is.

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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The economy of Venezuela lies in shambles due to US intervention and sanctions. Venezuela has very limited access to the world market.

Easily untrue. The US has been 40% of Venezuela's oil export[0]. If they wanted to, they could have obliterated Venezuela's economy in a second. [0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/EEPPHOTO... P.S. I'm Russian and do not have the regional bias.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-rosnef...
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