Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by gibybo » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

username223 wrote: post #104

gibybo wrote: post #51

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"full autonomy" means lots of different things to different people. Some people think of it as being able to drive anywhere at any time in any condition. This is unlikely to ever happen before AGI. What matters in Tesla's case is more likely being able to drive in some small number of places in specific circumstances without a physical driver in the vehicle (but possibly a remote one to handle unusual circumstances).…

> a remote one to handle unusual circumstances How could that ever work? The "unusual circumstances" that matter will usually require either action in less than a second, like an improvised detour sign, or situational awareness, like a human directing traffic around some random obstacle. At best, Google will be making cars that pull over to the shoulder and call for help in a few years.

>At best, Google will be making cars that pull over to the shoulder and call for help in a few years.

Ya, that's pretty much what I was getting at.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by mhermher » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

Finch2192 wrote: post #20

jak92 wrote: post #16

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I don't understand. Will they be selling the standard then ? The quote and headline don't seem to match. And no, I haven't read the link. edit: I did read the link and I still don't understand.

Confusing indeed. Are they just trying to make it harder to buy the cheapest model? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

They use the cheapest model to try to lure customers in and upsell them. That is why it is not available online. They don't want to sell the SR; they are likely losing money on it.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by minikites » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #112

Once again I gotta say the negativity is astounding. People are so stoked to be rooting for this American tech company to fail. I really don't get it. The main gripe I see is that Tesla misses deadlines or makes promises they cannot fulfill. Is this not super common in nearly every industry? Have none of you missed deadlines? I remember this article[1]from last year stating GM would release fully autonomous cars with…

>I really don't get it.

Tesla has over-promised and under-delivered for years while maintaining a tremendous amount of hubris throughout.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by jefurii » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

When are they going to make an electric car that regular working people can afford?

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by madengr » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #112

Once again I gotta say the negativity is astounding. People are so stoked to be rooting for this American tech company to fail. I really don't get it. The main gripe I see is that Tesla misses deadlines or makes promises they cannot fulfill. Is this not super common in nearly every industry? Have none of you missed deadlines? I remember this article[1]from last year stating GM would release fully autonomous cars with…

Spending 90% of the money or time, on the last 10% of performance, is common in my experience. The ratio may be not that extreme, but that’s the crux of it.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by mhermher » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

richardknop wrote: post #29

empath75 wrote: post #7

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The couldn’t be as they haven’t produced a single one.

Which is probably why they haven't built any. They did the math and knew they can't make profit on it so they "announced" 35k model is available but tried to upsell all people who ordered it to more expensive models, and now they quietly cancelled the 35k model without delivering a single one. So they can say "hey we released 35k Model 3 as promised" to save face. But I don't think they can make profit from it so the…

This is an exact repeat of the Model S 40 version.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by gibybo » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

mhermher wrote: post #107

gibybo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"full autonomy" means lots of different things to different people. Some people think of it as being able to drive anywhere at any time in any condition. This is unlikely to ever happen before AGI. What matters in Tesla's case is more likely being able to drive in some small number of places in specific circumstances without a physical driver in the vehicle (but possibly a remote one to handle unusual circumstances).…

What part of "full" is ambiguous. Maybe your point stands if just "autonomy" was used generically. But "full" has a specific implication.

I think we're in agreement, but Tesla has a lot of customers buying into the "Full Self Driving" promise. If you look at the "Full Self Driving" package currently available for $5k on their website, you'll notice that it doesn't even claim to be able to drive without a driver. It talks about doing what EAP can do today + doing it on city streets. What EAP can do today is basically adaptive cruise control with lane keeping and automatic lane change (which also requires you to hold the steering wheel).

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by slg » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

mhermher wrote: post #107

gibybo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"full autonomy" means lots of different things to different people. Some people think of it as being able to drive anywhere at any time in any condition. This is unlikely to ever happen before AGI. What matters in Tesla's case is more likely being able to drive in some small number of places in specific circumstances without a physical driver in the vehicle (but possibly a remote one to handle unusual circumstances).…

What part of "full" is ambiguous. Maybe your point stands if just "autonomy" was used generically. But "full" has a specific implication.

The primary cause of the ambiguity is that "Full Self Driving" is a marketing term that Tesla uses and not a unconditional promise. It is just like how cell phone companies promise "Unlimited Data" with a variety of caveats. So there is a question of whether people are talking about the primary definition of "full" or Tesla's marketing definition of "full".

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by username223 » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

xmpir wrote: post #62

So I guess jailbreaking Teslas will become a thing at some point in the future. If all the limits are software only people will find ways to use the car they own in the way they want...

And Elon will randomly brick people's cars out of spite. It's a strange future.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by leesec » Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

minikites wrote: post #143

leesec wrote: post #112

Once again I gotta say the negativity is astounding. People are so stoked to be rooting for this American tech company to fail. I really don't get it. The main gripe I see is that Tesla misses deadlines or makes promises they cannot fulfill. Is this not super common in nearly every industry? Have none of you missed deadlines? I remember this article[1]from last year stating GM would release fully autonomous cars with…

>I really don't get it. Tesla has over-promised and under-delivered for years while maintaining a tremendous amount of hubris throughout.

So people want the whole company to go bankrupt and for 50k people to lose their jobs and we have no one leading the charge towards electric vehicles?

The Internet is a weird and ridiculous place.