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Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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I’m not saying I don’t beleive you; just that I don’t think anyone has ever actually repusproduced cell phone sensitivity (detection) in a controlled environment. How would you know if it’s just in your head?

> How would you know if it’s just in your head? Please don't say "just" in your head. It's implying that psychological conditions aren't as significant or real as physical ones. They are very real and need to be treated just like anything else.

Why would this need to be treated?

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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They will discontinue all the older networks? I can run my new device from this year old good old 2G if I want to. I don't think you are correct in this.

Yes. Telephone companies can do this. You are correct about it. I don't have an answer to your question so I'm just speculating over here and it's quite possible that I'm wrong I think as soon as that happens (someone shuts off a network) someone else will set up new networks to provide the old service. Open source technologies exist to set up base stations right now [1] I think we're headed towards an open spectrum…

I do not quite grasp the telecom technology/infrastructure yet, but in terms of OpenBTS (which provides software-based base station) and Osmocomm (open source baseband), where does https://www.opennetworking.org and https://telecominfraproject.com stand in terms of open source infrastructure for 5G?

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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We live in a culture where there is an normally an intense focus on the benefits of technology and not really a lot of regard for any of the possible the negatives. I.e. there is a huge bias at a cultural level. I guess this a lot to do with idea that consumerism is the solution when things get difficult in life. If you study history you can see how this normally presents itself - and even effects the science c.f. the smoking industry.

Re: Radiation concerns halt Brussels 5G development, for now

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The history of environmental illness epidemics is chock full of people in power with this attitude. A new technology is poorly understood technology. The lack of peer reviewed research does not prove that it's safe, either.

I'm going to need some citations there, you're saying the effects of radio waves on the human body is a subject that hasn't received much attention despite being heavily scrutinized since radio communications become a thing. The cancer scare from radio waves has being going on for significantly longer than you seem to realise and yet has yielded no evidence to suggest there is a casual link between radio wave exposur…

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I think radio communications have been heavily scrutinized, but there is a lack of peer-reviewed well-funded research regarding more controversial hypotheses, like their effect on Voltage Gated Calcium Channels. There's also been research that suggests DNA strand breaks do occur from non-ionizing radiation that has been suppressed, and other hypotheses as well that have not been studied extensively.

Also, I'm not just talking about cancer.

There is research from both the "it's safe" and "it's dangerous" perspectives. However, the "it's dangerous" perspective gets almost no funding despite being scientifically sound and published by scientists who used to be respected before they dared question EMF safety.

I have no doubts that current levels of EMF do not cause major issues in the majority of people. Our bodies have several evolved mechanisms to handle it. But I think it is very plausible that a minority of the population with other toxic burdens could be sensitive to it. There is an entire population of people migrating to rural areas just to avoid EMF so they feel better. I don't think they are making this up. It's a HUGE life change to do that, and no one would do that unless they had no other options.

I find the VGCC work of Martin Pall very compelling, but I do not have links on hand, as EMF is not something a spend a lot of time focusing on. Googling him will bring up plenty of info, but you will probably have to dig a bit to find his published scientific work rather than just interviews on holistic websites.

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