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Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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Is this a joke? We have water boil advisories on a quarterly basis because the drinking water is totally screwed by neglected infrastructure.

A boil advisory because of short periods of low pressure is one thing, needing RO because saltwater has infiltrated your aquifer (like what will happen in Miami) is another can of worms

I'd rather deal with saltwater intrusion than the NO SWB and mayor.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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No. Rideshare still behaes ona requ basis. But the vehicle at the head of the queue serves the passenger first requesting a ride, special needs excepted. Out-of-order arrival of rides is addressed that way.

That means the rider wouldn't know what vehicle is coming and when, which goes against the whole experience. Also it's unlikely for there to be that many rides queued up at a single residential location which is why they aren't queued up there in the first place.

it's unlikely for there to be that many rides queued up at a single residential location

The premise of this thread was that there were.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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What would be an appropriate number, then?

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/environment/art... $92 billion for the coast and probably another $20 billion for New Orleans? It doesn’t have to be all at once.

You're WAYYY off if you think 92 billion will save coastal cities. So is the Advocate. The diversity of soil, or bedrock types, of seismic profiles, of infrastructure, etc.

I call BS on that number.

Obviously places like Galveston/Houston, and New Orleans have to be saved at any cost, but we have to get realistic about how much this stuff actually costs. And we have to get real pragmatic, real fast about deciding which of these ports we really don't need anymore.

All that said, yes, Miami is pretty high on the "Not Needed" list. So, I guess if the rich people who live there decide to save the place, great. If not, no biggie. We'll live. It's not like losing Houston, Norfolk, or New Orleans.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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post #141

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A boil advisory because of short periods of low pressure is one thing, needing RO because saltwater has infiltrated your aquifer (like what will happen in Miami) is another can of worms

I'd rather deal with saltwater intrusion than the NO SWB and mayor.

???

Wait? What?

Was that a joke?

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

#145
post #48

This article is patent nonsense. Nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen to Miami in 50 years including the author, and an anecdotal poll of front line real estate agents is mindless. Even in that context the real estate agent’s worldview seems a lot more sanguine than hers. History has shown in this country that you’re a lot more likely to be right predicting that the rich will figure out how to preserve their…

You say that, but Detroit is a pretty good counterexample. Tons of money / land just left to rust because it wasn't worth the effort. And that was just due to industrial changes not even something approaching a natural process.

If the ports not worth that much, the beaches (and tourism) has washed away, they've got a new sewage problem due to rising waters, and they can't get fresh water as easily, then what reason is there to rebuild? You need trade, fresh water, and waste removal to keep a city running, and for Miami, they're going to have problems with all three areas.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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post #141

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I'd rather deal with saltwater intrusion than the NO SWB and mayor.

??? Wait? What? Was that a joke?

I think we’re all just frustrated down here with the lack of transparency and employees literally sleeping on the job. I remember getting out of my car on Broad St in August 2017 during the flood and arguing with people in traffic in front of me about whether the pump house in front of me was working - they thought it was just another excuse for the city to take their money.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/environment/art... $92 billion for the coast and probably another $20 billion for New Orleans? It doesn’t have to be all at once.

You're WAYYY off if you think 92 billion will save coastal cities. So is the Advocate. The diversity of soil, or bedrock types, of seismic profiles, of infrastructure, etc. I call BS on that number. Obviously places like Galveston/Houston, and New Orleans have to be saved at any cost, but we have to get realistic about how much this stuff actually costs. And we have to get real pragmatic, real fast about deciding whi…

Adding in shoreline topography.

It's amazing how different ports are. Some are essentially flood plains. Others (e.g. the Chesapeake Bay) have surprisingly steep elevation meeting the water.

Savannah - Charleston - Norfolk are a good east coast trio to illustrate the differences.

https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/6/-9028683.402612444/...

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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That means the rider wouldn't know what vehicle is coming and when, which goes against the whole experience. Also it's unlikely for there to be that many rides queued up at a single residential location which is why they aren't queued up there in the first place.

it's unlikely for there to be that many rides queued up at a single residential location The premise of this thread was that there were.

I think it's about having a pickup/dropoff area, not necessarily a queuing system, especially because ridesharing does not use traditional waiting queues.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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One company could change all this: Fitch Ratings. They do credit ratings of packages of securitized mortgages. Right now, they don't look at "will parcel be flooded before the mortgage runs out". If they did, mortgages on submerged property would be much more expensive. Startup opportunity here. Come up with a system which reads through a package of mortgages and quantifies the climate change risk. Sell this to the m…

This already happens, and the mortgage is subsidized by the federal government via the National Flood Insurance Program. You wouldn’t be able to get a mortgage without flood insurance, and since private insurance companies won’t offer it at a sufficiently low price, the federal government subsidizes the insurance, therefore allowing the mortgage to be made.

Re: Heaven or High Water – Selling Miami's Last 50 Years

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post #46

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If your city is built on a sponge and in the flattest state to boot your solutions look like seasteading, not dams and pumps. From an engineering point of view Miami should be looking to Venice, not Amsterdam. You can’t save Florida land by pumping so the only way to go is to make your own taller land or to build what amount to boats or oil rigs.

Who’s going to pay for that retrofit?

If the problem looks imminent, as opposed to "we'll deal with it in 50 years", you will suddenly have a lot of VERY incentivized landowners to contribute money.

Is this the ideal way to do things? F* no. Is it what's likely to happen? Yeah.

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