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Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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post #37

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To be fair, it's not 1 million of anyone entering the country illegally every year.

70k arrested for illegal border crossing in march only. I would say it's definitely more than a million if you count the ones who didn't get arrested

> I would say it's definitely more than a million if you count the ones who didn't get arrested

With a lack of data it's not ok to just make numbers up.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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post #92

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If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...

Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.

It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy.

The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants.

Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?

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>When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. I can come to any bank, and politely ask them to help me out a bit by giving me some money. That's not an illegal (or wrong) thing to do. Now if the bank does help me out by emptying out their customer's storage cells , someone's going into jail for that. See, it's fine to help out . It's not OK to do…

That makes no sense. You have no authority over the bank. The federal government can be considered a scary bully who will lie to send anyone to jail.

They need a warrant by law in most cases but ICE seems to be requesting this data without much to back it up. The standard approach is to challenge it and keep records of the interaction.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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post #92

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It is done because an overwhelming majority of those entering the country illegal are hispanic. There isn't much more to it than that. It's not racism just because they happen to be the race doing it. If it were any other race it would be treated the exact same way.

If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...

Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

#145
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could convince you that the largest block of visa overstays are from Canada, and that a good chunk of them are from European countries, would you reconsider whether targeting Hispanic people is racist? https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...

Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.

Most illegal immigration is visa overstays.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

#146

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Yes, so long as most illegal immigrantion is visa overstays.

Most illegal immigration is visa overstays. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...

Then we have some non-intuitive results.

Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1]

[1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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This is... strange. When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help. In a just world, if the government asks for something inappropriately, then the party at fault is the government. (In other words, Washington should sue ICE, not Motel 6.) If we want companies to require a subpoena to share information with the federal government (and personally I do…

Isn’t it your duty to protect the privacy of your data and your customers regardless of who is requesting data? I thought companies like Twitter and Google routinely rebuffed requests for information from government agencies and opposed restrictive rules, e.g. in China, and are praised for it. The concept of resisting government requests for information is well established. If the police called and asked for my custo…

The solution is to encrypt all the logs and “lose” all the keys

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are most of these Canadian visa holed up in the various Motel 6s in the Washington area? I imagine the ICE fished in this area, because it was a good spot to catch fish. In general, I don't think much of the government, but I am sure they have metrics. The local ICE satrap isn't going to keep sending people to Motel 6 if they aren't catching any fish.

It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go through to try to find an after-the-fact justification for targeted racist policy. The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants. Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?

Why was this particular policy started under Obama? Interested to hear your mental acrobatics.

Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.

Re: Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists to ICE

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> "Motel 6's actions tore families apart and violated the privacy rights of tens of thousands of Washingtonians," What? I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart. Why aren't they being punished for illegally requesting the data without a warrant? Maybe the Motel 6 employees who wrongfully gave the data felt pressured, given that ICE is a government agency just like the DOJ?

"I'm pretty sure ICE's actions were what tore those families apart." ICE only enforce the laws that already exists. So only two possible parties are at fault here: 1. Congress, if the current laws are bad. 2. Parents, if they are in violation of the law.

If you sign up to enforce evil laws, you're voluntarily choosing to do evil. Multiple parties can all be at fault at the same time.
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