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Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by pjc50 »

Theodores wrote: post #113
Bombthecat wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And germany is thinking about creating laws to make the life of whistlelowers easier... Just let that sink in..

au contraire! There is EU wide whistleblower protection on its way. The motivation is to save money. More details: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019... The quote in the article mentions Cambridge Analytica so political whistleblowing could be part of the deal: "Recent scandals such Cambridge analytica or Lux Leaks have demonstrated the importance of whistleblowers. That is why we need to pr…

> whistleblowers will first have to use internal channels within their organisation before calling on external ones (set up by public authorities) and, eventually, going for public disclosure.

Not helpful. The most important cases are the ones where blowing the whistle will incur reprisals and prevent the whistleblower ever reaching the other two steps.

(I don't see how "The motivation is to save money" though?)

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Post by pjc50 »

acqq wrote: post #65
kzrdude wrote: post #47

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Thanks for the reminder - Manning is currently not free https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/08/chelsea-mann...

"The judge said she will remain jailed until she testifies or until the grand jury concludes its work." Wow. Not even some specific number of months or anything. Appears not as a punishment but a blackmail. (edit: yes I miss the right word for this is, there is certainly a better one, I'd be happy to read a better one; edit2: right, extortion, thanks).

What happened to that whole fifth amendment thing?

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

rmc wrote: post #72
newnewpdro wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/11/assange_death_penal... Penalties have gone pretty sideways in the US when it comes to being associated with terrorism, and what qualifies as terrorism extremely broad and nebulous.

An EU country cannot fulfil an extradition if there's a chance of the death penalty.

I've read that, and then I've also read cases of Sweden doing exactly that anyway.

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Post by belorn »

7e wrote: post #27
black-tea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's possible that he's lost his mind during the 7 years of imprisonment without trial.

Or from cowardly refusing to face his trial.

On the 20 August 2010 the police got the report and on the same day the duty prosecutor got the information.

On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police

On 1 September 2010, Överåklagare Marianne Ny decided to resume the preliminary investigation.

On 27 September 2010 assange left the country, now a month after he had been at the police.

On 18 November 2010, Marianne Ny ordered the detention.

Now that sound like a person running from their crime. Its the most slow motion running of any reported case to reach the news. I also must applaud the Swedish legal system for effective and swift action, in particular for reaching a conclusion three months after the initial investigation when no new facts had been established. If only the prosecutor had reached the decision from the beginning, rather than wait until the accused leave the country, wait a bit longer and then order the detention.

Did I mention rape cases are about the second highest prioritized crime in Sweden, next after murder? There were no murder spree between 20 August 2010 and 18 November 2010.

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Post by mr_luc »

s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #108
crdoconnor wrote: post #100

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Correa was a genuinely good person. There are a number of other ways he demonstrated this.

Such as? It'd be interesting to see what else he's known for

I lived down there for 7 years that coincided with his presence in the country, and I've commented on the uniqueness of Correa as a politician before:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5984041

I think it's still a good comparison: Correa was his country's Bismark. He was in the right place at the right time -- Bismark himself famously having said that the job of the politician is to listen for God's footsteps and grab onto His coattails as he passes by -- and he legitimately did build a massive amount of eg. roads, hospitals (some decent multiple of the previous N presidencies combined), reformed the tax service, got a ton of small businesses paying taxes for the first time ever (by making it incredibly cheap for even the very poorest small businesses to get into the system) ... and was pretty much like Bismark in relations with the opposition press, too.

Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by toyg »

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Assange has not been on the wikileaks staff for 6 months, reportedly. It’s not even clear whether he has internet access anymore. And obviously, if they had been silent on this matter people would now throw accusations of a convenient coverup.

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Post by matthewmacleod »

Pimpus wrote: post #138
wurst_case wrote: post #58

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Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

> Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Isnt "she" (he?) a trannie? I still support her, because whether I'm sympathetic of a person and their flaws is irrelevant.

I’m going to make the probably flawed assumption that you are commenting in good faith, and make you aware that this comment is not okay, for the following reasons:

1. It’s not relevant,

2. “Trannie” is a slur,

3. Pronouns should not be put in scare quotes.

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Post by matthewmacleod »

viraptor wrote: post #53
geowwy wrote: post #45

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His choice is either stay in the embassy or extradition to the US where he will face a very severe penalties, possibly the death sentence. Technically he's not being held against his will. But the reality is he can't leave.

> possibly the death sentence. What? Is there any reasonable source claiming that's remotely possible?

There is close to no chance of this; the UK government is prevented by law from extraditing people into situations where they may face the death penalty.

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

sschueller wrote: post #44

Free Manning, free Assange and free Snowden. These 3 individuals have shown the world the corruption and criminal activity our governments engage in and no matter how hard they try to silence them, eventually the truth will show through.

Did they change anything? Did anything they do matter in the end?
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