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Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I'm taking a wait-and-see approach in general, but I do find Yang one of the most interesting candidates so far. Just to respond to this specific point, Yang wrote recently on Twitter [1]: There are lessons and principles that government can take from business - like treating customers well and resource efficiency. But anyone who says they are going to “run government like a business” is dumb. They require very diffe…

> like treating customers well This has come up with the current president's most-dimwitted son and it's so hysterical it bears repeating. US taxpayers and voters are not the customer. They're the board.

> This has come up with the current president's most-dimwitted son and it's so hysterical it bears repeating. US taxpayers and voters are not the customer. They're the board.

A closer analogy would be that the US government is a non-exclusive consumer coop, and the citizens are the customer-owners, non-citizen residents, visitors, and other tax-or-fee payers a lotre non-owner customers, and Congress is the board.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

Hm, if a journalist is going to describe something as a "much lauded performance," I'd expect her sources to be people lauding the performance, not her own judgment of the performance itself. It is weird if she hasn't seen it herself (so she can judge whether the lauds are sensible enough to pay attention to, to avoid manufactured lauding as you suggest) but it isn't that weird if her primary evidence for the claim that a thing is popular is media sources.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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How was he classmates with Zuckerberg? He’s 4ish years older than Zuck.

In college, there are plenty of classes open to students of all ages...

agree with your point, but "classmate" is often a reference to "a member of the class of [graduating year]", so it's ambiguous. even to my point, people can enter college almost anytime, not just right after high school.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

I haven't seen this "run govt like a business" idea outside the U.S (or maybe I just missed it). Biz and govt are two separate things, I don't understand how one can be run like the other. Sure, there are some overlaps, but thats about it. Can someone explain?

In addition to what's been mentioned already, another implication is that _politicians are just in it for themselves_, they just want power. They want to get a cushy government job, they want to give handouts to their friends, they want to give handouts to people to vote for them, by running deficits that a business never could get away with. Sometimes the more businesslike candidates sell themselves as outsiders who know how to get things done, and are already successful, so they're not vying for this job to just collect a paycheck.

In theory, at least some of this makes sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like businesspeople who have "made enough money" tend to show any desire to rest on their laurels and decide enough is enough. And a businessperson who runs for office is just as likely as anyone else to be running to get power and notoriety.

And of course, businesses do well by leveraging debt. And they have handouts and nepotism and corruption.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Andrew Yang seems like a nice guy with a cool UBI proposal, but his blowing up on Twitter has a lot to do with 8chan forcing 'YangGang' memes which began about 6 weeks ago. It would be unwise to view this like a true market signal.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I don't have strong opinions or awareness of Yang's platform, nor have I gone out of my way to learn much about him, other than seeing the random sensational stories that pop up on my feed (e.g. his thoughts about circumcisions, wrt health policy). But knowing little of his background (e.g. career, wealth, any other attempts at politics), I think it's cool as hell he acted on what must have been a wild "what if" idea…

Check out the Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode #1245 with Andrew Yang, you won't be disappointed. Listen on your commute, your just driving anyway, might as well learn about one of the candidates.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

The SXSW town hall is not the only thing Pete Buttigieg has done in the past month. He's been on three or four of the podcasts I listen to and his Twitter game (especially his husband's) is strong.

Axelrod may have sparked the media interest in Mayor Pete with a tweet, but Buttigieg has handled the attention and impressed people on his own.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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I've been following how Buttigieg's rise has been manufactured by 1-2 insiders. Mainly David Axelrod. He did a SXSW town hall. I watched Tulsi Gabbard (disclosure, I volunteer for her a bit) first and then tried to watch Mayor Pete, as he is called. He basically bombed the first 20 min. The period that any viewers would try to give the candidate any chance to better understand them. He was just a bit too nervous, he…

How is this manufactured in any untoward way? Influential people (certainly more than Axelrod if we're being honest) like this guy, the press amplifies the viewpoints of influential people, and so he did better in the press than the candidate you volunteer for.

Have you considered that because of your affinity for Gabbard, you overestimated her ability to connect? Or that you are overconfident in your ability to estimate who had the objectively superior SXSW town hall performance?

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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VP choice makes a bigger difference for an older candidate, which might be why rumors are that Biden will be choosing his running mate very early in the process.

Almost nobody really makes their voting decision based on who the VP is. I'd even have to look up the name of Clinton's running mate from the last election.

glad to hear people who are voting in the country aren't even informed about their own choice..
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