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Post by Cyclone_ »

sagebird wrote: post #13

There is something junky about Pinterest and Quora— the experience of using it while not logged in is bad. Facebook has users in a strangle hold— afraid of alienating and being out of the loop on family affairs if they leave. Can someone convince me that Pinterest is not suceptible to an overnight diaspora if another service becomes more useful or fashionable? It’s great that Pinterest is making money but how will th…

Seems weird I would think if they were serving ads they would not want to potentially turn away some users.

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Post by aiisjustanif »

Theodores wrote: post #110
tuckermi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story looks different (albeit short of YoY +60%) if you look at Trends for Image Search: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all_2008&geo=U...

Well spotted. The main search is definitely the mySpace trajectory: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p... ...but you have found the more accurate guess-data. Pinterest have presumably done well with Google's carousel that shows image search results at the top of the list. I am not sure the HN crowd is target demographic. Who here is looking for a new outfit to buy and wear? Who is wanting in…

Don't forget the massive planning scene. Wedding, engagement, baby shower, quinceañera, bar mitzvah, proposals. You name it.

If you have a fiance, more than likely she a Pinterest board or is following multiple for ideas.

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Post by aiisjustanif »

owens99 wrote: post #132
john_moscow wrote: post #39

I am genuinely curious, how does the year-over-year growth of 60% come together with the pretty consistent "death curve" according to Google Trends [0]. Could they have deliberately lowered the revenue in 2017 through some clever accounting in order to come up with this number? As they have been around since ~2012, are there any prior financial metrics publicly available? [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?…

Because you are clearly wrong. Forgive me for being blunt, I just think it’s a bit obvious: they have grown through means other than someone going to google.com and typing “Pinterest.” I can think of a dozen reasons why that would be the case. Google Trends does not match 1:1 popularity, usage, or growth of all products. Personally, I’m only a casual Pinterest user and have no stake in this, but the service has gotte…

Fun fact: It's a great place for black people when it comes to hair styles and hair care, surprisingly one of the best places. Google search can't even compare.

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Post by nullc »

Pinterest is one of the worst things to happen to my search experience in the last decade.

I've started wondering if they're using something like StyleGAN to general endless image variations that exist nowhere else (and have no source or context on pintrest) in order to pollute google image results.

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Post by creato »

hazelnut wrote: post #128
lawrenceyan wrote: post #124

We depend in part on internet search engines, such as Bing, Google, Yahoo! and Yandex, to direct a significant amount of traffic to our service. For example, when a user types a query into a search engine, we may receive traffic and acquire new users when those search results include Pins, boards, Pinners and other features of our service that cause the user to click on the Pinterest result or create a Pinterest acco…

So many businesses failed before which relied on SEO. This one could go really bad if Google pulls the plug.

And I hope Google does. I curse under my breath every time an image search comes back with Pinterest bullshit.

Google is probably petrified of fixing problems like this because the EU will ding them for another few $billion if they do.

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Post by creato »

seanwilson wrote: post #79
OldFatCactus wrote: post #31

I hate what Pinterest does to google image searching. Sometimes I really just want to paste an image src in an online discussion without having to drill into devtools.

How does it manage to rank so well? I'm not a user of it but whenever it appears in searches it feels like endless popups and walled content that tries to make you sign up. I would have thought Google would discourage links like this.

It was probably originally an SEO game, and Google is probably now afraid to fix it lest they have another Yelp or Foundem on their hands.

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Post by sytelus »

harryh wrote: post #3

Pinterest continuing the trend of teach companies IPOing with dual class share structures: "Following this offering, we will have two classes of common stock: Class A common stock and Class B common stock. The rights of the holders of Class A common stock and Class B common stock will be identical, except with respect to voting, conversion and transfer rights. Each share of Class A common stock will be entitled to on…

For tech companies, most people are investing in to founders - the company itself is just a medium. If I was an investor in tech company I would actually want dual class structure so its protected from short sighted bigger investors, likes of Icahn and hopefully pressure from Wall Street analysts to whatever extent possible. This puts some confidence in me as investor going for longer run.

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Post by sytelus »

How does tech IPOs even with very poor outlook and no potential to become big actually go through anyway? I can't imagine myself buying stock of many recent filings but apparently tech IPOs seems to be rarely failing even though many seem to be designed purely as VC escape hatch. So who really buys all these stock?

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Post by jmtulloss »

foobandit wrote: post #131
wavesounds wrote: post #115

It's weird how HN has become so negative about every recent tech companies IPO. You would think this would be the one place on the internet where people would be excited and positive about this sort of thing. I don't get it, is it jealousy about missing the boat?

There is a surge of awfully unprofitable businesses with poor business outlooks that are going public with very large valuations.

The unfortunate thing about this thread (so far) is that almost every comment is either projecting the commenter's feeling about Pinterest or a few numbers on the first page. So much pessimism without citing the source within the S-1 that we're all reading!

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Post by kensai »

freeone3000 wrote: post #133
zepearl wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers earn 250k USD/year in the US? Any reference to the european "brain dead"-problem?

Yes. https://voxeu.org/article/european-brain-drain is fairly comprehensive, but the idea is that highly skilled people generally go where they're paid the most for their skills.

This is an 11-year old article and honestly total bullshit. European developers and professionals in general are quite happy with the welfare in Europe. It's a completely different mindset. Yes we earn much less, but at least if we can sick or fired we know we can get some decent support from the state.
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