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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by A2017U1 »

nradov wrote: post #133
cozzyd wrote: post #90

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Indeed, this is a predictable effect of subsidizing on-street parking. Banning free street parking would unwarp the economics.

The down side is that retail stores suffer because customers are less likely to visit when they have to pay for parking. It's one more factor driving consumers away from brick-and-mortar stores to online ordering.

I've seen this argument used against turning roads into pedestrian only and it's been the complete opposite effect. The moment you remove cars foot traffic increases by huge amounts.

Struggling to see how a car space that can be taken with no charge results in more customers either, surely it increases the amount of time used by individual cars instead and reduces potential customers.

Very few retail stores charge by the hour. Getting people in and out as quickly as possible is the ideal.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by masonic »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #53
rhacker wrote: post #45

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Actually a better business is to start having more RV parks in the SV. The last 5 years has been record breaking sales history for RVs. Yet the rest of the industry (RV parks specifically) isn't catching up. Most of the people buying RVs are now surprised that no RV parks have availability. I've watched for the past 5 years bay area periphery cities go from having tons of space any time of the year, to being complete…

Sort of, sort of not. I agree that it would be better to create more RV parks but the zoning issues are pretty extreme in that most cities are not big fans of RV parks for more historical reasons than actual ones. Sunnyvale, as a city, has preserved its mobile home parks in an effort to keep housing more affordable. I have an inquiry out to a developer on the cost of building a 'multi-story' RV park. Not trying to re…

  Sunnyvale, as a city, has preserved its mobile home parks in an effort to keep housing more affordable.
Um, what? Is there a single surviving RV park in Sunnyvale south of the train tracks?

In the past year, the last two I know of (Blue Bonnet and the one on ECR near Poplar) shut down, with everybody ejected. Several of the mobile homes at the latter were outright abandoned, since there was no place to move to.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by wiredfool »

rhacker wrote: post #56
ChuckMcM wrote: post #53

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Sort of, sort of not. I agree that it would be better to create more RV parks but the zoning issues are pretty extreme in that most cities are not big fans of RV parks for more historical reasons than actual ones. Sunnyvale, as a city, has preserved its mobile home parks in an effort to keep housing more affordable. I have an inquiry out to a developer on the cost of building a 'multi-story' RV park. Not trying to re…

These fifth wheels and class As can weigh up to 24000 pounds (even if they where never legally allowed to). A moving object at that weight would make a multi-story RV park an architecture/safety nightmare. I'm talking about east-bay area that still has space. Not sunnyvale. - Just checked out the ready player one images - holy mother of guacamole.

From an engineering perspective, cars and trucks aren’t that heavy, because their weight is spread over a large area, and they can’t squish together like humans.

Roughly, you’re not going to get over 60psf with vehicle traffic or storage.

People jammed together can be 200psf, as can library stacks, and indoor pools are potentially even worse.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by CalRobert »

gph wrote: post #112
karambahh wrote: post #100

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I think you're comparing apples to oranges here. If you reclaim a parking space for another use (such as building accommodation for families or an animal shelter), you're not depriving the car of anything, it's an expensive, large piece of metal and is not sentient. Next, you'll say that you're depriving car owners from the practicality of parking their vehicles anywhere they like. I'm perfectly fine with depriving c…

So we should never have parking lots, because they could be repurposed into homes for homeless people? I feel this is only really relevant to high-density cities that are being underdeveloped because of local regulations and NIMBY. Most of America has plenty of space when it comes down to it. And aren't the parking lots this article is talking about basically public access parking for beaches? Do ya'll really think i…

No, we should let people willing to pay market price for the land live on it if they wish. Or park. Or garden. Whatever. Just not make taxpayers subsidize car storage.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by blunte »

ucaetano wrote: post #37
blunte wrote: post #20

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Only when the politicians have a low enough average age that they actually use computers themselves (and find out how unusable the web is already) will they possible revise or eliminate the restrictions. One big problem with tech regulation right now, particular that which involves the internet, is that the old farts making the rules are barely skilled enough to send emails. Not only do they have no concept of how th…

Yep, there is a divide between the old people in power who know economics, markets and regulation but have no idea how "technology" works, and the young voters who understand the technology, but without an understanding of how the economics work.

I think you're much too generous. You can look at political decisions in most countries and see that politicians don't, on average, understand economics. For that matter, a great many economic theories (which are often presented as facts) don't hold up when tested.

In summary, economics is hard. But making something (internet/web) increasingly unusable is just pure ignorance.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Jaruzel wrote: post #36
ascorbic wrote: post #25

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This seems to be the original. It even has a picture! https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-m...

Another 451 anti-EU block. ^sigh^ Here's the wayback link for us poor Europeans: https://web.archive.org/web/20190322191045/https://www.sandi...

I read about the status code this week, but this is the first time I've seen one in the wild.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by DanBC »

wildrhythms wrote: post #114
HenryBemis wrote: post #72

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I respect their (bakersfield.com) right to piss all over the regulation of 500 million people, and respectfully decide to ignore them and equally blacklist them. GDOR is the mitigating effor after years of abusing Safe Harbor both by state agents as well as from private companies. Instead of fixing their deal, they prefer to black list EU? Seriously? Go .... yourself, and I am returning the favor of black listing you…

Can you blame them? EU traffic probably accounts for a tiny fraction of their overall traffic. Rather than pay their (probably minuscule) engineering team to fix it, bakersfield.com probably ran the numbers are realized it would cost much less to just not serve traffic to the EU. I'm sure this is hugely annoying and unexpected for EU visitors, but you gotta understand that you are not obligated to use their website,…

They don't need to do anything, they're not covered by GDPR.

It's a shame they're losing traffic because they chose to believe people spreading lies and misinformation.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by newshorts »

my wife and i ran the numbers on living out of a van in Silicon Valley but found with a gym membership and the temptation to eat out all the time, we probably wouldn’t save as much as we thought. Van life is tempting though, the thought of saving an extra 24k per year sounds like the right path to eventual home ownership (obviously not anywhere near the valley).

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by sixbrx »

protomyth wrote: post #135
ecshafer wrote: post #86

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Your experience is the opposite of most people's experience. I am from a poor rural area full of trailer parks. My experience with them is a place with heavy drug use, domestic abuse, extremely frequent robberies and violence. Definitely not a place most people would like to live given the choice.

Depends pretty heavily on the place. South Dakota has some really good ones and some really bad ones. Checking the light poles generally tells the tale.

Now I'm curious, how to tell from the light poles?

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Post by driverdan »

hawkesnest wrote: post #109
driverdan wrote: post #105

I've been living in a shuttle bus I converted for almost two years. I'm fortunate enough for it to be a choice, many aren't as fortunate. I'm better equipped than an RV, hot and cold water, toilet, shower, 1600W of solar, AC, standing desk workstation. I'm very respectful of others. I never park overnight in front of a house and don't like parking in one street spot for more than 12h. I often pick up trash in the are…

It seems like most van conversions are optimized to be inconspicuous. It's no schoolie, but a shuttle bus is certainly more eye-catching than an Econoline. Do you have issues blending in or getting additional (unwanted) attention?

My bus is very obvious. In general it hasn't been a problem. I had someone complain once when I was parked somewhere I shouldn't have been but didn't know.
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