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Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by FooHentai »

chrisco255 wrote: post #34
Ultramanoid wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I routinely reply on Amazon's feedback that packaging was clearly excessive whenever I am given the change to do so. To receive a micro SD card in (1) a plastic container, inside a (2) cardboard container, inside an (3) A4 Amazon cardboard envelope is bordering criminal.

Cardboard is perfectly biodegradable to be fair.

True, at least the stuff that's not glossed up with bonded plastic coating.

Easy to DIY recycle at home, too. Makes good mulch for the garden, just flatten it out and lay it underneath whenever you put compost/soil down anywhere.

Not so sure about the packing tape that inevitably comes with it.

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Post by enkid »

mcv wrote: post #134
usrusr wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> limited consumption of animal products It would be more impactful get three people to reduce meat by 50% than to get one to reduce by 100%. Unfortunately, "meals that don't have a chunk of meat as their centerpiece but that are still far from vegetarian" does not have the same ideological zeal as veganism (speaking in the context of a western industrial background). When eating out (again: western cuisine), the mea…

I have a number of friends who eat meat only 2 times per week. I used to be vegetarian for about 15 years until I met my wife and we agreed to eat meat, but only organic/otherwise sustainable and only a limited number of times per week. When eating out, I still eat vegetarian unless I know where the restaurant got its meat from. Increasing numbers of restaurants in Amsterdam do care where their meat comes from, fortu…

Organic and sustainable are not the same thing.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by syshum »

lnsru wrote: post #74
cageface wrote: post #58

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We don't need to eat meat or fish at all to be healthy, and meat & fish are very resource intensive. We're better off redirecting all the resources we currently waste trying to feed 8 billion people this way into sustainable, plant-based diets anyway.

Western world throws insane amounts of food away: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/02/no-time-leftover... There are other real problems than plant-based diets.

That does not break down the type of food waste

For example I rarely have meat-based food waste, however, I have all kinds of Fruit, and veg food waste do to spoilage.

Meat is easy to freeze and preserve, it is hard to freeze a salad ;)

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

maccard wrote: post #119
toofy wrote: post #71

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Is this fake recycling happening on any kind of scale? This seems like something which could be pretty easily mitigated against by citizens following up with their local cities to verify that things are actually ending up at recycling plants. I'd be furious, considering what I pay for these services if I were to find out they aren't actually recycling. I guess I'll have to look into my local situation. This is a frus…

On HN a few days ago I saw [0] that US cities are in fact actively reducing the scope of or removing their recycling programs. Id be furious too if I lived there (not sure if the UK fares any better) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19410187

"With China no longer accepting used plastic and paper, communities are facing steep collection bills, forcing them to end their programs or burn or bury more waste."

The phrasing is telling. "China no longer accepting", "communities are facing", "forcing them".

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by wgjordan »

j16sdiz wrote: post #102
cageface wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. The American Dietetics Association states as its official position that a vegan diet is healthful and adequate for all stages of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 There's currently quite a bit of debate over whether or not plant-based diets are better than other diets, but not over whether or not they are healthy.

The position statement was REMOVED on the request of Academy Positions Committee (APC) of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics for "inaccuracies and omissions". https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)00261-0/abstrac...

The 2009 statement linked above was not removed; a 2015 update of the position statement was retracted and re-published in 2016 [1][2]. The position has been formally endorsed until December 31, 2021.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704

[2] https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(16)31192-3/fulltex...

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by wgjordan »

j16sdiz wrote: post #100
cageface wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the official position of the largest association of professional nutritionists in the US. It's hardly controversial. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

The position statement was REMOVED on the request of Academy Positions Committee (APC) of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics for "inaccuracies and omissions". https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)00261-0/abstrac...

The 2009 statement linked above was not removed; a 2015 update of the position statement was retracted and re-published in 2016 [1][2]. The position has been formally endorsed until December 31, 2021.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704

[2] https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(16)31192-3/fulltex...

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by dgarceran »

ehnto wrote: post #56
cageface wrote: post #35

These stories rarely mention this for some reason but the bulk of the plastic junk in the ocean is discarded fishing nets, not consumer waste. Reducing the plastic waste you personally generate is still a good idea, of course, but if you really want to have an impact then stop eating fish. https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/ocean-plastic-made-disca... https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/great-pacific-ga...

I am not sure that is good advice. Fixing the fishing industry is important, overfishing is rampant as is plastic waste from it. But fish is probably one of the best alternatives we have to other environmentally unfriendly meats we currently raise. As populations grow it is proving to be key to keeping everyone fed. Farmed fish most importantly will soon be the majority of fish consumed. Getting ocean based fishing t…

Then stop eating fish and meat, you can be healthy taking care of your environment and without killing any animal. Everything you are saying are still environmentally unfriendly options.

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by astura »

j16sdiz wrote: post #102
cageface wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. The American Dietetics Association states as its official position that a vegan diet is healthful and adequate for all stages of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 There's currently quite a bit of debate over whether or not plant-based diets are better than other diets, but not over whether or not they are healthy.

The position statement was REMOVED on the request of Academy Positions Committee (APC) of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics for "inaccuracies and omissions". https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)00261-0/abstrac...

The 2015 version of the paper was removed for revision. It was revised and the current revision (Dec 2016) still has the same position on vegetarian diets.

https://www.eatrightpro.org/practice/position-and-practice-p...

>POSITION STATEMENT It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage.

And it was never actually a big deal in the first place, because they have maintained more-or-less the same position for several decades, and the removal didn't actually change their position in a significant way.

https://retractionwatch.com/2015/11/16/inaccuracies-and-omis...

>Following the release of the “Vegetarian Diets” position paper, the Academy Positions Committee received correspondence from respected experts in the area of vegetarian nutrition, including Academy members, expressing concern about what they cited as inaccuracies in the paper. Upon receipt of the memoranda, the APC sent the paper out for a secondary external blind, unbiased review. Based on the result of these reviews, as well as the received correspondence from experts in the field, the APC voted to remove the paper from the Journal with the goal to revise and publish at a future date. Until then, individuals should refer to the “Vegetarian Diets” position paper published in the July 2009 Journal (Volume 109, Issue 7, pages 1266-1282).

This is the 2009 version:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.

Furthermore, most similar organizations take similar positions

https://www.livekindly.co/myth-buster-vegan-diets-are-unheal...

Re: Stomach of Dead Whale Contained 'Nothing but Nonstop Plastic'

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Post by mcv »

enkid wrote: post #142
mcv wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a number of friends who eat meat only 2 times per week. I used to be vegetarian for about 15 years until I met my wife and we agreed to eat meat, but only organic/otherwise sustainable and only a limited number of times per week. When eating out, I still eat vegetarian unless I know where the restaurant got its meat from. Increasing numbers of restaurants in Amsterdam do care where their meat comes from, fortu…

Organic and sustainable are not the same thing.

That's why I mention them both. I'm generally fine with anything that has animals outside rather than locked up in a tiny cage, but I prefer meat grown locally in a field that's not certified over meat that's technically certified but shipped from the other side of the world.

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Post by klyrs »

dgarceran wrote: post #147
ehnto wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure that is good advice. Fixing the fishing industry is important, overfishing is rampant as is plastic waste from it. But fish is probably one of the best alternatives we have to other environmentally unfriendly meats we currently raise. As populations grow it is proving to be key to keeping everyone fed. Farmed fish most importantly will soon be the majority of fish consumed. Getting ocean based fishing t…

Then stop eating fish and meat, you can be healthy taking care of your environment and without killing any animal. Everything you are saying are still environmentally unfriendly options.

Industrial farming is not remotely environmentally friendly. Local food production has scaling issues. It's not just meat... we're simply overpopulated.
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