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Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by Gpetrium »

It seems that a lot of people fail to realize some key aspects that lead to the pressure and outcomes you see on this paper:

* As customers, (1) when the washroom of a diner is dirty, the first reaction is not "Hey, maybe the cleaner was sick", it is an instant negative view. (2) when your favorite coffee shop is closed, most people don't think "I hope everything is alright, I'll come back tomorrow."

* As employees, (1) When someone doesn't show up for a meeting, most people will go for the lowest denominator "Person A is disrespecting my time", etc.

* As employer, (1) When someone doesn't show up to complete a project/deadline/task, the company can go bankrupt, be less profitable or lead to disruptions.

* As fellow humans, we mostly assume that the experience we have had or seen (e.g. having a child and nurturing them or working in tech vs laborer) follow the same mold as everyone else until we read and understand more about that.

Therefore, society creates an environment where unexpected absenteeism is frowned upon. Whether that is the correct modus operandi is for each and everyone of us to dig in and ask ourselves.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

harryh wrote: post #110
zanny wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This mindset is crucial. It doesn't make much to meet the bare minimum legal requirements of parenting. It takes a ton to produce thriving minds capable of excelling in the encroaching post-labor reality. So many people treat parenthood as a checkmark on the mandatory itinerary of life and once they check it off they just "eat the cost" and pay to have the kids taken care of. Both those parents, and the poor parents…

LOL, this is ridiculous. My dad worked crazy hours so I didn't see him a ton when I was a kid. My mom worked too. I went to daycare. I went to school. I watched a ton of TV. I turned out just fine. Most of these crazy "investments" that people are putting in their kids has virtually no long term impact. You should read The Nurture Assumption.

I mean..you say that you turned out fine. Self referential = not evidence.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by rootusrootus »

cf498 wrote: post #138
dahfizz wrote: post #134

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Is this only for salaried employees or everyone? Does a grocery bagger get paid sick leave?

We dont have grocery bagers. I assume you mean people whos sole income are tips? Thats not legal here. You can tip the pizza guy and waiter, but they are employees getting a paycheck from their employers. Tips are a bonus for a job well done and unrelated to them making a living.

We don't have grocery baggers (in general, there are probably exceptions) nor do we have anybody whose sole income is tips (illegal).

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

sabujp wrote: post #133
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #130

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It is simply not true that most of the world lives in communal settings. Most of the world lives in urban areas. And with increasing world population, increasingly dense living environments. Again..it’s not about anything being ‘free’ or ‘low cost’. It’s time. It shouldn’t be time sacrificed from parents’ lives that leads to resentment and guilt and finally therapy (if the kids can afford it..but apparently everyone…

> Every child is a crap shot Feel free not to have kids, I definitely don't want parents who are so pessimistic and scared about the future that they won't even try > genetic gamble >99% not about genetics > handing them off to the state at least in more progressive areas the state/communities aren't out to make your child into a mindless drone

Let’s stick to objective arguments without getting personal. It is knee jerk reactions and emotional entanglements that stop us from having meaningful discussions to dissect problems and find solutions.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by dahfizz »

cf498 wrote: post #138
dahfizz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this only for salaried employees or everyone? Does a grocery bagger get paid sick leave?

We dont have grocery bagers. I assume you mean people whos sole income are tips? Thats not legal here. You can tip the pizza guy and waiter, but they are employees getting a paycheck from their employers. Tips are a bonus for a job well done and unrelated to them making a living.

What I meant was, are there people paid by the hour instead of being full salaried? Part time employees? How do these laws affect them?

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by cf498 »

dahfizz wrote: post #145
cf498 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We dont have grocery bagers. I assume you mean people whos sole income are tips? Thats not legal here. You can tip the pizza guy and waiter, but they are employees getting a paycheck from their employers. Tips are a bonus for a job well done and unrelated to them making a living.

What I meant was, are there people paid by the hour instead of being full salaried? Part time employees? How do these laws affect them?

Part time with a fixed schedule works the same way.

With flexible hours the average working hours per day are calculated. So if you work for 40 hours a month, a sick day gets you around 2 hours of sick leave.

edit: I think I got you now, you mean day labor, who get payed for how long they can work for changing employers?

I had to google for that, those are "Unständig Beschäftigte". Those are people who are employed for less then a week. They dont get sick leave. I couldnt tell you an example where it is allowed to hire someone like that. Even field workers/harvest helper get a normal contract with predefined working hours.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by saltcured »

Tepix wrote: post #90
jackconnor wrote: post #82

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This is janitors and cashiers at McDonalds, there’s no “working from home” and i guarantee it’s the same in Europe. We’re not talking about IT jobs here dude.

McDonald's in Germany is unlikely to pay your wage when you stay at home to take care of your kids, but many other employers do. Anyway, you still have a right to get Kinderkrankengeld for 10 days per year, paid by the national health insurance. Enjoy!

Kinderkrankengeld. Child-sickness money.

Seeing this new (to me) word gave me a little meta-joy this morning. Not for the topic at hand, but for the wonderful German word compounding.

Not quite as musical as my favorite three-part compound to date. The Thai word pronounced "malang-tao-tong" is roughly insect-turtle-gold and describes what we would call a ladybug in the US.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by mruts »

allannienhuis wrote: post #93
mruts wrote: post #81

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Well would you prefer to have a crappy job or no job at all? Don’t labor under the assumption that government mandates don’t affect the decisions of businesses.

So it's ok with you if companies treat people like crap, because the alternative is fewer jobs? By that logic, it's ok for companies to kill off a few of their workers through horrible safety practices, than not offering any jobs at all, because ++ jobs is more important than anything. We've spent the last couple of centuries trying to correct that line of thinking, why hang on to it? The alternative to crappy busine…

I believe my free-market opinions are in the best interest of the people. Of course, it’s in some people’s interests (those who produce significant real value) more than others (those who produce little value) but I still think it’s in the best interest of everyone

Also, I would rather keep my money and not redistribute it to the bottomfeeders.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by rayiner »

grigjd3 wrote: post #102
rayiner wrote: post #49

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Children are difficult, but not as hard as you make it out to be. Out of my circle of friends, more than half the kids were unplanned (including our first child). It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). For lower income people, a bit of help with childcare during work is all that’s necessary. The “responsible parenting” approach…

You are very fortunate that your parents could help you raise your first kid. That is not something universally available and my first year as a parent was very rough.

It was fortunate, but I don’t think it was particularly fortunate. The average American lives 18 miles from their mother: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/24/upshot/24up-f....

The reason I bring up grandparents is because OP’s post struck me as pretty ignorant of the circumstances of the people (disproportionately lower income), who are actually having kids in this country:

> The data reveal a country of close-knit families, with members of multiple generations leaning on one another for financial and practical support.

Raising kids is not that hard and nearly everyone does it. We don’t need counselors telling people not to have kids until they can meet whatever criteria upper middle class people think are a necessary prerequisite for raising children. They need cheaper daycares to make life a little easier.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by [deleted] »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #142
harryh wrote: post #110

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LOL, this is ridiculous. My dad worked crazy hours so I didn't see him a ton when I was a kid. My mom worked too. I went to daycare. I went to school. I watched a ton of TV. I turned out just fine. Most of these crazy "investments" that people are putting in their kids has virtually no long term impact. You should read The Nurture Assumption.

I mean..you say that you turned out fine. Self referential = not evidence.

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