Is 'video production' really a trade school? I think more of the blue-collar trades. Also, aren't video/music production classes like that usually the realm of for-profit schools like Full Sail and the job prospects dubious?
Any schooling specifically intended to be vocational is a trade school.
The Stigma of Choosing Trade School over College
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tend to agree with the commentators on your post. I went the college route, but technically had a "trade school" experience first via the military - it gave me the befit of trying out a career field before I committed to a degree. I have family members who just went to trade school and comfortably clear 6 figures a year - they never even had a desire for college. We need to stop stigmatizing trade schools and start…
"An expansive view of human knowledge" is not what the modern undergraduate degree provides anyway. For a huge number of undergrads, college is high school part 2, just something they need to get through to get a good job. They are not there to expand their minds, and to the extent it happens, it's a side-effect and pretty minimal for most. I say that as someone with an undergrad degree from a major state university,…
My mind definitely expanded when it came to my discipline as well, and I chose to explore other research areas primarily because of opportunities which college gave me.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "need that piece of paper" thing is sad but true. I do think it is changing, as I notice more and more IT job postings asking for X degree or equivalent experience nowadays.
Despite advice to the contrary the first step in the hiring funnel for coveted dev positions is to throw out applications w/o a four year degree. Ask me how I know. A bit different than IT, but related.
How do you know?
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Between the rise of youtube, the porn industry, "peak" TV and the constant stream of CGI-based movies, there is plenty of work in video production. A degree doesn't really matter, but knowing how to use the tools does. Whether you get hands on the tools at a university or a college isn't an issue.
Then, more automation and even better UI will tend to reduce the labor-intensity of satisfying that demand. Translation: fewer people will be needed.
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I think this is a valid point, but ... The way the tertiary education "system" works is built on a premise that is contradictory to that. Within a generation or two we went from a university system that was intended to educate and socialize (for lack of a better term) wealthy people to a university system that educates regular people. The premise for this was/is "human capital." That is the idea that wealth isn't jus…
”A lot of what they do is just admit people who will be high income earners.” Aka Bryan Caplan’s signalling theory of education: https://blog.press.princeton.edu/2018/01/23/bryan-caplan-on-...
I believe that they were trying to say that the people who go to college are more likely to be successful than those who don't, regardless of if they actually go to college or not.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd argue that expansive view should be coming way, way earlier than high school. How about before you beat the curiosity and sense of wonder out of 5-8 year olds with times tables, memorizing the dates presidents were born, and repeating the word "prepositional phrase" a thousand times - that would be a good time to start.
Should parents have no responsibility in this regard? It isn’t the elementary school’s child.
If society wants universal capability instead of depending on parent ability and inclination (rather scattershot) the answer is yes they do have a responsibility.
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#147An entire article about the future of education and not a single paragraph about automation. How are trade schools preparing students to reinvent themselves every 10 years or less? How is vocational education setting the expectation that those students will have not one career for the rest of their lives, but many? This is not to say that liberal arts colleges are much better; but, at least with 4 year degrees, the e…
Will trade jobs be automated? Plumbers, HVAC, Welders are jobs that seem to be the least likely to be automated..
Obviously this kind of stuff takes many years but someone getting into a skilled trades career today would do well to keep on top of industry developments because the people that do will be the programmers and the people that don't will be replaced by button pushers.
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#148An entire article about the future of education and not a single paragraph about automation. How are trade schools preparing students to reinvent themselves every 10 years or less? How is vocational education setting the expectation that those students will have not one career for the rest of their lives, but many? This is not to say that liberal arts colleges are much better; but, at least with 4 year degrees, the e…
Will trade jobs be automated? Plumbers, HVAC, Welders are jobs that seem to be the least likely to be automated..
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#149One thing that is always missing from these articles is the idea that it’s actually good for individuals (and for our society) to get an expansive view of human knowledge rather than a narrow training to turn you into a worker on a production line (or at a computer). Of course right now that’s a path that’s not accessible to many people, and people may have other financial reasons for going to trade schools, but I th…
I think this is a valid point, but ... The way the tertiary education "system" works is built on a premise that is contradictory to that. Within a generation or two we went from a university system that was intended to educate and socialize (for lack of a better term) wealthy people to a university system that educates regular people. The premise for this was/is "human capital." That is the idea that wealth isn't jus…
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that's what high school should be. And let's face it, general studies courses that make up that "expansive view" of college really are repeats of high school with slightly more work, at least if you take honors classes in high school. And if that expansive knowledge is being surrounded by peers who are in pursuit of higher learning...that's not the typical college experience these days. High school is becoming…
This was exactly my problem with College and why I didn't succeed there. I came from a really good high school that offered a breadth of knowledge across fields. When I went to college (granted in 1998) to become a "web designer" the curriculum and training was just not there. My first year was taking variations of the same math courses, the same english courses and a couple comp sci courses (teaching Java). It was h…