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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by speedplane »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #113
speedplane wrote: post #94

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That's a ridiculous equivalence. It's like saying a government backed army and a guy with a gun are the same because they can both shoot people.

> That's a ridiculous equivalence. No, it isn't. > It's like saying a government backed army and a guy with a gun are the same because they can both shoot people. This however qualifies for that title, since you're probably underestimating China if you're comparing them with a single person with a gun.

> > It's like saying a government backed army and a guy with a gun are the same because they can both shoot people.

> This however qualifies for that title, since you're probably underestimating China if you're comparing them with a single person with a gun.

You totally missed the analogy. Here, China/US are the armies, and Huawei/Cisco are just some folks with guns. When governments intervene, they bring an enormous amount of resources that even large companies cannot compete with.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by thg »

seppin wrote: post #140
thg wrote: post #137

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> The founder was Chinese military As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves. > the early funding came from government sources Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws. > and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security prio…

> Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. > Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as…

> Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview.

First taking it out of context and then resorting to name-calling.

> Did the US gov order them be put there?

The first precedent that comes to mind: https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals... and there's a whole lot more where that came from.

It appears your knowledge on the matter doesn't transcend beyond repeating US propaganda. Ignorance of facts, making up strawman arguments, repeating words of a notoriously lying organization without any thinking about it whatsoever. There is no discussion to be had here.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by Aloha »

ksec wrote: post #100
kingosticks wrote: post #80

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The hardware refresh for 5G has only just started in a few counties right now (Korea, China and the US). Everyone else will get there but its not happening yet. No serious operator is doing a software upgrade for this. The main driver for 5G is increased bandwidth and that comes from new boxes throughout the network. The investment for this is huge and long-lasting. And while it is harder to lose a customer, sure, ri…

>Operators will have some Huawei stuff but I don't known anyone (outside of China) that has built their network on them so ripping that out is a non-issue. Some have already done just that. I assume there is a missing word built their network soley on them. Vodafone, Three, are two big Operators that has some Huawei deployed in EU. It is rare that any Operator relies on one single Telecom Equipment Vendor. Even China…

about 1/3rd of sprints network is now Samsung hardware - its very well made, and the software is pretty good too.

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Post by dang »

seppin wrote: post #140
thg wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The founder was Chinese military As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves. > the early funding came from government sources Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws. > and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security prio…

> Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. > Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as…

Please don't cross into incivility here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by dang »

thg wrote: post #142
seppin wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. > Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as…

> Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview. First taking it out of context and then resorting to name-calling. > Did the US gov order them be put there? The first precedent that comes to mind: https://www.disclose.tv/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-reveals... and there's a whole lot more where that came from. It appears your knowledge on the matter doesn't tr…

Please don't break the site guidelines, even when someone else did it first.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Post by jake_the_third »

hnmonkey wrote: post #128
jake_the_third wrote: post #107

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Provide evidence that huawei is spying or keep your mouth shut. It's that simple.

Yep, I'll just grab that from the CIA, NSA, FBI, and Australian Intelligence services for you. Should I assume you want it by today? This might be the most absurd and rude statement all in one that I've seen on HN before. You're surprisingly aggressive and defensive on behalf of a Chinese multinational in your comments and don't actually seem to be interested in hearing the truth. Interesting.

I'm not being aggressive on behalf of a chinese company, I'm being aggressive against unsupported accusations spouted by morons because it happens to fit with their preferred political narrative.

If calling innocence-until-proven-guilty and demanding proof is considered absurd, then I'd gladly be such.

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