They will have a lot of catchup to do to get where Office is now. I'm frankly amazed by how good Microsoft Flow has been. So many dumb business processes rely on an Excel doc somewhere, or a stupid manual email somewhere else. But with Flow I've seen just a single smarty-pants able to fully streamline an entire department one rule at a time. They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Offi…
The comp I work for has half bought into the O365 thing. Most of us are on the semi-annual channel for desktop clients, a lucky few are on monthly no rhyme or reason. And bec HQ is in EU they've decided to localize all web stuff to german. this makes entering dates or modifying formulas in excel online near impossible. Also for some reason they've chosen to keep flow and teams off by default, I can activate the free…
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Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Office, they can just do it. And no one has to get dragged into it kicking and screaming - you want to work off of an Excel file? Fine! It's still there! Plus it wont be randomly cancelled when Google decides they got bored with it after several years of neglecting it first.
This is a cliche that gets wheeled out regularly but without much critical thought. Google cancels stuff. A lot? Maybe but they have a lot of products. But it's not without logic and it's much less likely to effect paid products and core services. How many parts of Docs/Drive have been cancelled? How many GCP components? Next time someone is about to post another "Google cancels everything!" comment I hope they might…
Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation
#143They will have a lot of catchup to do to get where Office is now. I'm frankly amazed by how good Microsoft Flow has been. So many dumb business processes rely on an Excel doc somewhere, or a stupid manual email somewhere else. But with Flow I've seen just a single smarty-pants able to fully streamline an entire department one rule at a time. They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Offi…
The comp I work for has half bought into the O365 thing. Most of us are on the semi-annual channel for desktop clients, a lucky few are on monthly no rhyme or reason. And bec HQ is in EU they've decided to localize all web stuff to german. this makes entering dates or modifying formulas in excel online near impossible. Also for some reason they've chosen to keep flow and teams off by default, I can activate the free…
It would be so much easier, if the us finally stopped using this middle-endian date format. It's logically flawed and too prone for misinterpretation. Further the US is the only country in the world to insist on using it. yyyy-mm-dd or dd-mm-yyyy are both fine (I actually prefer the first, though my country uses the latter) and logically consistent.
While they are at it, they could also switch to the metric system.
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#144thanks, but no thanks. I spent a month building integration with google hangouts, only to see it being deprecated before we could even launch. wasted months fighting with undocumented drive realtime API issues to make it work seamlessly and it was pulled last year without replacement. drive v3 api still does not have ETAG conditional uploads that drive v2 had. never biting that google bait and switch thing with apis…
i am having a hard time seeing myself using anything that google puts out. i have been burned way to many times.
the biggest ones? google reader, code and inbox (happening now).
sorry but it’s really hard to bet the farm on otherwise cool technology
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those don't seem equivalent. One affects a billion or so people. The other will only cause trouble in rare cases, no?
The assumption that 'a byte is eight bits' is less specific than 'a character is one byte is eight bits' but I think captures it pretty well and affects at least all the people who are affected by RTL writing, I would think. If anything, the one character -> eight bits problem was so large huge amounts of work has been put into developing and using libraries that abstract the representation of text away from byte str…
In fact, by conflating them you are implicitly making the assumption that one character is one byte, which is exactly what your comment is really warning against.
Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a cliche that gets wheeled out regularly but without much critical thought. Google cancels stuff. A lot? Maybe but they have a lot of products. But it's not without logic and it's much less likely to effect paid products and core services. How many parts of Docs/Drive have been cancelled? How many GCP components? Next time someone is about to post another "Google cancels everything!" comment I hope they might…
Google Inbox? I'm a paying user of corporate Gmail/GSuite and this is a pending disaster for me. They keep asserting that the "new improved" Gmail offers all the needed functionality but it simply does not.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Office, they can just do it. And no one has to get dragged into it kicking and screaming - you want to work off of an Excel file? Fine! It's still there! Plus it wont be randomly cancelled when Google decides they got bored with it after several years of neglecting it first.
This is a cliche that gets wheeled out regularly but without much critical thought. Google cancels stuff. A lot? Maybe but they have a lot of products. But it's not without logic and it's much less likely to effect paid products and core services. How many parts of Docs/Drive have been cancelled? How many GCP components? Next time someone is about to post another "Google cancels everything!" comment I hope they might…
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Hahahaha. I stumbled upon Flow last year when I switched jobs. Our IT/procurement process is ridiculous, so I scrounged around our intranet resources for licenses and tools that I had access to by default or could get/request access to without triggering the Eye of Sauron to gaze down upon me from the tower of IT Security. My team does analytics consulting work for large multi-agency marketing campaigns, and I used F…
/me is one of the minions from team "Eye of Sauron". However I'm not stuck in this tower. I'm torn between two worlds. One side applauds the grass roots based solutions and the JFDI attitude. The other side is concerned that these solutions becomes widely used, de facto production, and problems upstream ends up breaking the output. On error, hopefully fails loudly but subtle problems could creep in. If the reports ar…
This was an example of that. We do client consulting work, but we're only about 2% of the total revenue of our Fortune 500 parent and our IT policies are not conducive to client-driven work requirements. When my manager looked for what we could use when supporting analytics-oriented aspects of client work, tools like Supermetrics[1] were explicitly denied and IT provided virtually no automation/analytics solutions short of a complete Tableau server, which is prohibitively expensive for most of our clients' needs (especially when allocating IT infrastructure & support costs in addition to the license). I'm not a fan of the fragility and monotony of repetitive manual data collection and reporting, nor do clients like to pay for the excessive hours that takes on a recurring basis compared to competing bids (because presumably our competitors can use SaaS tools for automating rote process).
I scrounged around and found a pocket of PowerBI users in our IT's SQL Server team. Connected with the director over that team and got access for myself. Created a proof of concept architecture that provided an agile platform to address the full spectrum of our potential needs from "throw in basic analytics for free and eat the cost" to "maintain a full on data lake getting a deluge of real time data streams". Client users are guests invited to our tenant, log in with their (usually) already-existing Office 365/AzureAD user, can have the $10/user/month PowerBI Pro license added to their account via their corporate IT, our corporate IT, or a credit card expense. All of their ETL and data connectors and credentials and PowerBI models are compartmentalized into their own app workspace and subject to corporate DLP policies and accessible/auditable by Office admins. It's technically unsanctioned/shadow IT, but I ran it by the director of that team in case I needed to tap his team for sporadic support needs in the future, and he was both interested in my proposed usage and perfectly fine giving it his blessing (which is great, because his team manages the permissions I need for provisioning users, adding licenses, and creating workspaces).
The alternative would have been to either lose business due to non-competitive bids, use a combination of unsanctioned SaaS tools that get expensed and subject to disruption when turnover happens and passwords don't get shared or credit card renewals don't occur (fairly common scenario I've inherited), or using development skills to create custom automation that would be unmaintainable when I left.
> Ideally the IT department would take a step back, assess what the users (you the stakeholder) needs are, and provide the solutions. Better Agile.
This works well in some cases, but falls flat on it's face just as often. It's often prohibitively expensive from a budgetary standpoint for a business team to pull in resources for a needs analysis and subsequent project. Business users are far cheaper, so the vast majority of drift between needs and systems capabilities/processes go unresolved because it's cheaper to absorb the inefficiency on the business labor for quite a while before it hits a critical point that justifies the expense of pulling in ops/dev staff. For most business teams, shadow IT is a pragmatic stopgap solution to hit their deliverables, similar to the type of tech debt you see in IT projects that gets kicked down the road until it's suddenly not something that can be kicked anymore. And the process of IT stumbling across a grass roots solution acting as a de facto production dependency is basically a litmus test for when the debt finally comes due and triggers a formal needs analysis and IT project.
As well, that type of needs analysis generally creates localized optimizations or poor user adoption. The current needs will be a reflection of the processes that evolved within the current system and constraints, and addressing the directly will usually just result in a solution that's "a faster horse". Or it goes to the other extreme, where the solution you provide is state of the art and it turns out they have no ability to transition from riding their current horse to piloting the new fighter jet you provided.
A far more effective approach is to creative a collaborative model. Grass roots based solutions exist for a multitude of reasons and won't ever go away. But the concerns of undocumented, unknown, and potentially unmaintained de facto production dependencies existing outside of the purview of IT is a very real concern. So create a migration path. Put in low friction processes, support structures, and policies that give power users on the business side the ability to create sanctioned grass roots solutions. It'll allow business teams to experiment with and build up competencies and informed opinions on newer capabilities and possibilities, allowing for more nuanced and effective needs analysis for major projects. And it also provides enough oversight and management for IT to step in when usage patterns indicate something has become de facto production and warrants a more formal transition to/evaluation by technical and operations stakeholders. And also provides valuable data to ops/IT on where people are needing to create grass root solutions in general, which can better inform their own future systems planning.
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#150They will have a lot of catchup to do to get where Office is now. I'm frankly amazed by how good Microsoft Flow has been. So many dumb business processes rely on an Excel doc somewhere, or a stupid manual email somewhere else. But with Flow I've seen just a single smarty-pants able to fully streamline an entire department one rule at a time. They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Offi…
Granted, Flow is still in development but I could not recommend it for production or anything of importance. They are few possibilities for backup (the browser based packaging doesn't count), nor any kind of functionality for advanced administration. I know Flow does also target non-developer audiences, but that is not an excuse to skip basic features.
I think being able to model workflows is essential for companies that do not want to spend large amounts of money on custom solutions. They can really remove a lot of busywork. The lack of real competition amazes me. Everyone would profit from a good workflow engine.
So Flow is only good, because alternatives are basically absent.