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Post by bendoernberg »

pault wrote: post #136
pault wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "the jews" considered offensive? If someone were to say "the blacks" I would automatically suspect them of racist tendencies.

I can't edit the original comment because it triggered the flame war filters, but I'm curious why this is such a controversial question and garnered so many downvotes. I sincerely wanted to know what popular the consensus is.

You're right, when someone who isn't Jewish says "the Jews" it sounds weird and is followed by "control the banks" often enough that it sets me on edge.

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Post by gowld »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #111
noir_lord wrote: post #94

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One of the things that annoys me about this debate is that anti-semetic !== Anti Israel I've no issue with the Jews (I don't actually know any) but specific things the Israeli government does sure I do. Of course it's useful for people to conflate the two as they do with Corbyn or anyone who condemns Israel. Frankly I've no dog in the fight, I think Israel and the Palestinian's are frequently in the wrong. It's quite…

>One of the things that annoys me about this debate is that anti-semetic !== Anti Israel That's the point. People on the pro-Israel side of things know that being antisemitic is very much not acceptable for anyone in a position of power in the 1st world to be in this day any age so they try their hardest to conflate the two. It's much more obvious when the conflation is much more of a stretch, e.g. "how dare you not…

It works in reverse too, where you can dog-whistle any anti-Semitic statements by saying that you were refering to "Israeli government" or "globalists" or "bankers", not Jews.

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Post by gowld »

inglor wrote: post #70
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #64

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The New York Times identified Lambert as Aharon Almog-Assouline, a former Israeli security official living in the plush Tel Aviv suburb of Ramat Hasharon. Maybe not "spy" but ex-security official at least. Not sure how thinly that's splitting hairs though.

Ex security official is virtually every Israeli in a country with forced conscription at age 18. Also as an unrelated nit: Ramat Hasharon isn't a "plush suburb", it's where people without enough money to buy an apartment in Tel Aviv go live (Tel Aviv being "valley" expensive)

"Defense"/"Military" is not the same as "Security", and "Conscript" is not the same as "Official".

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Post by gowld »

jsmith99 wrote: post #51
baybal2 wrote: post #47

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> NSO is a private company who is US owned and at odds with the Israeli government often. But is stuffed full of ex-officers from Israel's military. Don't you find it odd? Why they seem to keep coming, while at the same time switching back and forth in between army and "civilian" career? That's a rather dumb cover.

Israel has a draft. Most people are veterans.

Israel has mandatory universal military service with a few exceptions, not a "draft". A draft is "Selective" service, where some people get picked (as in the US Vietnam war or NBA/NFL college-grad hiring process).

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Post by ThazElMow »

_pmf_ wrote: post #60
dsl wrote: post #24

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Please reach out to the FBI counterintelligence unit at the San Francisco field office. It sounds like nothing came of it, but screenshots of text messages, call logs, or other information you have may be of assistance in other investigations.

Why would you want to paint a target on your back?

The Mossad downvotery is strong in this one. Bet you a couple of shekels Mossad personell personally downvoted these grayed out posts in this thread.

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Post by gowld »

secfirstmd wrote: post #132

Having worked on Israel/Palestine human rights issues over the years and protected organisations who have been targeted by Israeli private/state intelligence due to their work. Here are just a few other methods our organisation has seen used against well respected human rights defenders (all of these are confirmed by the way, not speculation): -Sending people to their homes claiming to sell paintings, usually in orde…

Heh, coming on the heels of MLK day, this looks like the table of contents of the USA FBI playbook for civil rights advocates.

Re: Undercover spy exposed in NYC was one of many

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Post by secfirstmd »

gowld wrote: post #146
secfirstmd wrote: post #132

Having worked on Israel/Palestine human rights issues over the years and protected organisations who have been targeted by Israeli private/state intelligence due to their work. Here are just a few other methods our organisation has seen used against well respected human rights defenders (all of these are confirmed by the way, not speculation): -Sending people to their homes claiming to sell paintings, usually in orde…

Heh, coming on the heels of MLK day, this looks like the table of contents of the USA FBI playbook for civil rights advocates.

Sounds about right

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Post by secfirstmd »

wycy wrote: post #119
bouncycastle wrote: post #66

Excuse me, but isn't "undercover" redundant in "undercover spy"?.. I mean, all spies work undercover :-)

There are spies with official cover and non-official cover[0]--the latter of which is normally to what "undercover spy" refers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-official_cover

Also spies is really an overarching term and means shedloads of different things in reality.

I mean if you break it down in the simplest way possible (for example what the public see on TV and call a spy), what they are seeing is various people who are:

-Handler

-Agent

-Agent of influence

-Analyst

-Mobile Surveillance Officer

-Tech officer

etc etc etc

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Post by mprev »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #110
mprev wrote: post #88

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I'm not saying it's totally equivalent but the story told in "Confessions on an economic hitman" suggest that it's common for government agencies to use private firms in order to allow for plausible deniability, amongst other things. Now, that book has been denounced by some but large parts of it seem plausible.

I've yet to hear a credible attack on John Perkins that has stood up to scrutiny. They are almost always ad hominem attacks that don't address the meat of his positions/stories.

I think it doesn't help that the second half of the book ... especially in "Further confessions..." it dives into shamanism and so on. It's almost like he handed his critics a script with which to discredit the rest of what he has to say.

I'm not saying I agree with that line of attack; it just feels like an own-goal.

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Post by mcguire »

EthanHeilman wrote: post #123
saiya-jin wrote: post #63

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In theory a good suggestion, but Israel specifically gets a lot of free passes, especially from current US govt, so I wouldn't expect any benefit or positive outcome from this, just troubles for OP. Now if it would be an Iranian spy for example, they would hunt him/them down with the full force.

>Israel specifically gets a lot of free passes, especially from current US govt The US has been very aggressive against Israeli espionage [0,1,2] and the president doesn't exercise much control over counter-intelligence investigations. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosef_Amit [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Ami_Kadish

0 and 2 were accused of passing along US classified information to Israel, not industrial espionage or on third parties.

1 was spying on Israel for the US and was arrested and convicted by Israel.

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