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The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Not productive in what sense? Knowing your limits let's you focus your energy in other ways and areas

That's great advice. Especially if you get specific about the other ways and areas one an focus on. But what parent post said was, you'll never be a billionaire or literally Jackie Chan, so don't try. Seems (to me) like a waste of mental energy to even process that.

No I did not say that you shouldn't try, but that doing what they do, don't expect that you will be them. It is cargo culting success

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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If Chan was sold into servitude by his parents, I think that's de facto slavery What would you think of a boarding school, where there is a meritocratic selection of child candidates from among primarily underprivileged families? The families that are selected receive a payment. The child is housed, schooled, and given rigorous training in a prestigious performance art. Is there something in that which is de-facto sl…

> What would you think of a boarding school, where there is a meritocratic selection of child candidates from among primarily underprivileged families? The families that are selected receive a payment. The child is housed, schooled, and given rigorous training in a prestigious performance art. If this is a public, regulated social institution, then I see no problem with it. I don't want to say that children shouldn't…

If this is a public, regulated social institution, then I see no problem with it.

I would rather live in a society that's free enough for private schools to be established.

I just don't know where precisely to make that legal distinction.

I think we can set objective standards for the housing and treatment of children. Objective standards make it easier for government to adjudicate fairly, and prevent the abuse of power by officials and regulators.

Even so, nothing is perfect.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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I did not ask about abuse. I asked about exploitation. A further question: Are you performing the same rhetorical tactic that you are telling me that I am performing through your anecdote?

A further question: Are you performing the same rhetorical tactic that you are telling me that I am performing through your anecdote? An observation: "Think of the children!...No what the children think doesn't matter!...What you thought of as a child doesn't either!" Hmmmm...

Please take my words at face value. Also, this is the second question gone unanswered.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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This word "luck" is used quite often yet every time I see it applied it there is always someone who "seizes opportunity when it comes and does what it takes to succeed" I suppose it is easier to write and also easier to dismiss other people doing something you simply don't want to put in the effort to do so or are too scared to do. of course this is just my observation

> This word "luck" is used quite often yet every time I see it applied it there is always someone who "seizes opportunity when it comes and does what it takes to succeed" Of course you do, that's called survivorship bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias You see the one person who tried to seize the opportunity and succeeded, because by succeeding they became famous. You don't see all the people who tr…

How many tried just as hard to seize the opportunity?

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Do you understand the plight of being an exploited child? I understand what it's like to be sent away to school by one's parents to experience significant hardship. It's not a matter where one should cry out for more state intervention, lightly.

This does not answer the question.

It could be argued that it does. The commenter states the parts of their experience that are relevant and extrapolates from that.

As mortals, our experiences are limited. Having a good imagination and intuition allows us to extrapolate from these limited experiences to better understand the world we live in. Otherwise, discussions would be very limited and stilted indeed. Unless you never join in a discussion that you don't have direct (exact) personal experience in?

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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Anyone who thinks you can go through BUDS/RASP/RIP/Q-Course/whatever injured and "fight through it" is a delusional fanboy. The reality is that it has very little to do with willpower and everything to do with your physical condition before the course and your genetic potential. If you get hurt, you are out, and you are checking gates for 12 hours a day or go regular infantry. Yes, there are second chances, but that'…

all of your stuff for at least the last month has been shadowbanned. idk why.

It seemed to start after sctb said "We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop." 37 days ago.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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> "Great fighters have to kind of like getting hit." This is almost tautologically true. Who starts fighting because they want to avoid getting hit at all costs? The author wants to examine _why_ Chan drives himself, over and over, to the brink of life-threatening injuries, while we HN commenters - most of us anyway - do not. He fairly persuasively argues that it's a mix of extreme C-PTSD, childhood abandonment, econ…

Could it just be because he likes it?

liking something is important but you have to ask why they liked it in the first place. The reason for their desire matters. Professional football player might "like" football even though it takes a heavy physical toll (brain damage, joint damage, etc.) but notice the people becoming professional football players are usually from disadvantaged neighborhoods who see the sport as one of the few ladders they can use to climb to a better future. Its not going to be the sons of university professors who become football players. The reason Jackie Chan took all of those risks and "liked it" is because of his economic status.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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I just read the article, and I didn't see any mention of human trafficking. The Hong Kong opera school is described as indentured servitude. And I'm sure a lot of that goes on there as well, but it's hard to track for obvious reasons. I think that summarizes the constant emotional undertones in this article. This article strikes me as a deliberate re-spinning of a story meant to be triumphal, making it the sneakiest…

"This article strikes me as a deliberate re-spinning of a story meant to be triumphal" ^ This right here. There are many things to say about the damages caused by colonialism, but complaining that it's not covered in a book about Chan (who got immensely successful), in Hong Kong (which became very wealthy) in the 1960/70s (while the rest of China was basically burning down) misses the mark. There is a historical cont…

I read it perhaps a little simpler: the author likes Chan as a performer, but is disappointed that Chan has turned out to be a vocal, anti-democratic supporter of the Chinese Communist Party, and a critic of present-day Hong Kong (as well as Taiwan, which is of course no surprise given where his loyalties lie). I sympathize and agree with that disappointment -- the quoted jab Chan makes at Taiwan especially bothered me, as it's one of my favorite countries to visit -- but agree that twisting Chan's memoir the way he has just goes too far.

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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This word "luck" is used quite often yet every time I see it applied it there is always someone who "seizes opportunity when it comes and does what it takes to succeed" I suppose it is easier to write and also easier to dismiss other people doing something you simply don't want to put in the effort to do so or are too scared to do. of course this is just my observation

> This word "luck" is used quite often yet every time I see it applied it there is always someone who "seizes opportunity when it comes and does what it takes to succeed" So your observation is that because they seized the opportunity and did what it takes to succeed means luck wasn't involved?

I mean luck seems to mean "something that person did that others seem reluctant or incapable of doing"

Re: The Painful Price of Becoming Jackie Chan

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I am glad you used the word trapped - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/07...

Wow! Eye-opening. Thanks for posting it.

That photo essay is from 2017 and addresses the ridiculously high real estate prices of Hong Kong. Colonialism isn't to blame for that. Globalism is.

Colonial Hong Kong certainly wasn't all rosy. There was certainly vast inequity, but that had to do with global trends of poverty and essentially being almost a second-world economy at the time. Growing up in colonial Hong Kong was alright. Definitely not a "colonial hell-hole" which I find to be incredibly offensive.

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