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Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by briandear »

Tehnix wrote: post #74
qeternity wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They also reportedly shutdown Subscribe Star recently, when people started to use it instead of Patreon, in the wake of the Patreon banning of some prominent You Tuber. This isn't working. The free market doesn't seem to work well in the tech world, where we have all powerfull monopolies controlling what we say, what we know and what we buy. We need new laws. This is not what a "free market" means. Paypal is not re…

MasterCard and Visa are though. If you note elsewhere in the thread, it’s basically on their request that a lot of people have been banned.

However, sites could accept IBAN transfers, Diner’s Club, Bank drafts, Amex, Discover, JCB, Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash)... People could even use Transferwise.

The are a lot of ways to not have to accept MC or Visa.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by briandear »

itchyjunk wrote: post #32

Regardless of weather the `THN` name is confusing or not and regardless of the speculations, does paypal need to give a reason for termination? Are they legally obligated? Is it something they should do for the sake of customers? Should one get mad at `THN` because there name overlaps HN and they supposedly are `real hack` or should we be mad at paypal because it's overreaching it's powers?

The name isn’t the issue. It’s the plagiarism. Every article is plagiarized.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by sokoloff »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #140
ddtaylor wrote: post #47

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> Completely relying on any third party What other options are there that exist where a regular person could still make a payment?

Good, old fashioned, non-electronic money orders and cashier's checks, perhaps? Granted, you're still relying on a bank but I can't imagine any bank refusing them for a person without refusing all that person's business entirely.

No sympathy for site in question, but cashiers checks and money orders aren’t particularly low-friction for website users/online shoppers.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by Tehnix »

briandear wrote: post #141
Tehnix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MasterCard and Visa are though. If you note elsewhere in the thread, it’s basically on their request that a lot of people have been banned.

However, sites could accept IBAN transfers, Diner’s Club, Bank drafts, Amex, Discover, JCB, Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash)... People could even use Transferwise. The are a lot of ways to not have to accept MC or Visa.

That's about as real an alternative as if I said you could just send me a mail instead of sending me an email.

> IBAN transfers...Transferwise

Obviously incredibly slow and a lot of work.

> Diner’s Club, Amex, Discover, JCB

Haven't seen these in Europe.

> Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash)

Limited to banks that support it. In e.g. Denmark, that's only two of the minor ones, meaning far from the majority of people.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by dingaling »

briandear wrote: post #141
Tehnix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MasterCard and Visa are though. If you note elsewhere in the thread, it’s basically on their request that a lot of people have been banned.

However, sites could accept IBAN transfers, Diner’s Club, Bank drafts, Amex, Discover, JCB, Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash)... People could even use Transferwise. The are a lot of ways to not have to accept MC or Visa.

Even six years ago when I was shopping around to buy some Bitcoins it was already impossible to use Transferwise and most banks had blocked transfers to known cryptocurrency exchanges. When the financial industry wants something ostracised they are quick to move in the same direction.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by 1001101 »

SilasX wrote: post #139
ccnafr wrote: post #59

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They intentionally named their site that way to capitalize on Google search result traffic. If you read their articles, you realize they can barely put together two English sentences with proper grammar and structure. Furthermore, most of their articles are stolen from other sites. I've seen journalists from Motherboard, The Register, and Bleeping Computer accuse them of blatantly copying articles, and when I checked…

So ... PayPal made the right call.

Cutting a business off from the financial system seems like a fairly harsh punishment for plagiarism, especially when there are other routes for a remedy. We may never know if that was the reason, though, so it's hard to measure whether justice was done or not.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by Tehnix »

mrep wrote: post #128
Tehnix wrote: post #114

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Do you also consider Google and Bing on the same footing?[0] No, right?. But in anycase, fair enough, the technical correct one is duopoly—the problem just is, it doesn't make it any better. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/267161/market-share-of-s...

Oligopoly. Discover card and American Express are both mostly accepted (I say mostly because some companies don't accept American Express due to their charge back policies). And yes, it makes it so much better. True monopolies can slack so hard and yet still rake in boatloads of cash because their customers have no other option. Google cannot sit around on their search engine or other companies will steal all their c…

> Oligopoly. Discover card and American Express are both mostly accepted

Duopoly when you are in Europe. Discover card and American Express is not really a thing here.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by zrobotics »

user5994461 wrote: post #49
TomMarius wrote: post #27

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Define hacking

Hacking: cut with rough or heavy blows. "I watched them hack the branches" First definition given by google. That was easy.

Ah yes, just let me get out my 'debugging' machete. After all, I keep a widlarizer on my bench for troubleshooting problematic circuits.

"How do you WIDLARIZE something? You take it over to the anvil part of the vice, and you beat on it with a hammer, until it is all crunched down to tiny little pieces, so small that you don’t even have to sweep it off the floor"

>>https://hackaday.com/2014/04/08/heroes-of-hardware-revolutio...

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

#150

Post by mrep »

Tehnix wrote: post #148
mrep wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oligopoly. Discover card and American Express are both mostly accepted (I say mostly because some companies don't accept American Express due to their charge back policies). And yes, it makes it so much better. True monopolies can slack so hard and yet still rake in boatloads of cash because their customers have no other option. Google cannot sit around on their search engine or other companies will steal all their c…

> Oligopoly. Discover card and American Express are both mostly accepted Duopoly when you are in Europe. Discover card and American Express is not really a thing here.

Does that matter in Europe? From what I have read here, most people use debit cards (interest rates for credit don't matter) and the fees are capped super low so the % fees don't matter.
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