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Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by hajhatten » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 2:56 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #126

I'll be honest: I probably watch more Youtube than Netflix. But, and this is a big but: I'll continue paying for Netflix long after I stop paying for Youtube. Why? Netflix is quality content that I watch when I plan on sitting in front of the TV. In contrast, I only watch Youtube for a few minutes here and there. A different analogy is live TV versus a DVD. Youtube is more like live TV: lower-quality, news, commentar…

For me, twitch is more of an analogue to tv and youtube a strange middleground between the two.

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by xienze » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:05 PM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #79

alecco wrote: post #57

And they both suck. Netflix content is weak. The catalog outside US is terrible. YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Premium. At a price point of $12 it's ridiculous. Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Both seem to be more dedicated to push PC propaganda than matching what viewers want. Original content is quite bad save for some exceptions (Wild Wild…

I'm just amazed somebody can come to this conclusion. 20 years ago you had to go to the shop, buy ONE film for $15 from a limited shelve, bring it back home, put it in a device you bought specifically for that film format and that does only that, navigate through a dubious UI, be forced to watch ads, then eventually get to the film. If you didn't like it... too bad. Now for the same price, you have access to thousand…

> Now for the same price, you have access to thousand of movies __and__ TV shows

Yes, but are they the movies and shows people actually want to watch? You know, classics and the like. Increasingly, the case is "no".

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by aequitas » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:08 PM UTC

jjoonathan wrote: post #131

quxbar wrote: post #130

I've quickly become addicted to longform (10+ minute) nonfiction youtube videos, whether it be a comprehensive analysis of Neverwinter Nights or 24 minutes on the advanced features of the laserdisc. Most, if not all of the content creators have Patreon pages, and I even contribute to a few. The content is so niche it's unimaginable that Netflix or any other content behemoth would develop their own version of it.

"You just clicked on a video about making a mostly square block of metal into an even more square block of metal. Just saying." -ThisOldTony

Though describing ThisOldTony as nonfiction is a bit of a stretch ;)

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by zanny » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:10 PM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #79

alecco wrote: post #57

And they both suck. Netflix content is weak. The catalog outside US is terrible. YouTube ads are annoying yet original content is not worth the price for Premium. At a price point of $12 it's ridiculous. Music catalog is sub-par and not worth the switch from Spotify. Both seem to be more dedicated to push PC propaganda than matching what viewers want. Original content is quite bad save for some exceptions (Wild Wild…

I'm just amazed somebody can come to this conclusion. 20 years ago you had to go to the shop, buy ONE film for $15 from a limited shelve, bring it back home, put it in a device you bought specifically for that film format and that does only that, navigate through a dubious UI, be forced to watch ads, then eventually get to the film. If you didn't like it... too bad. Now for the same price, you have access to thousand…

At least contextually I will personally complain that the whole business model of making content to then profit off of (be it in $15 3D tickets, $100 blu ray box sets, or 5 cents of Netflix revenue) permanently as being incredibly amoral and culturally destructive.

We have the Internet. People give away data in their posession for free to the order of exabytes a year. As a species, we have the capability to host the total sum of all information produced by our kind in kind. We just chose to silo anything dating back to the 1920s in corporate coffers as a means to rent seek forever on properties the creators are either long dead or long gone from the studio that continues to profit off their work forever.

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by tshannon » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

s0l1dsnak3123 wrote: post #137

quxbar wrote: post #130

I've quickly become addicted to longform (10+ minute) nonfiction youtube videos, whether it be a comprehensive analysis of Neverwinter Nights or 24 minutes on the advanced features of the laserdisc. Most, if not all of the content creators have Patreon pages, and I even contribute to a few. The content is so niche it's unimaginable that Netflix or any other content behemoth would develop their own version of it.

I'm exactly the same. Some favourites I've collected over the years: 3Blue1Brown - math essays AlfieAesthetics - Bushcraft, botany and survival skills with some fun english humour mixed in CNLohr - fun hardware hacking livestreams Eliminator Performance - mechanical troubleshooting and maintenance vlogs Engineering Explained - Automotive engineering explainers and mini-lectures FearlessFront - Mechanical engineering,…

Great list. I love when people do this, as I inevitably find new channels to follow.

Thanks,

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by avar » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

quxbar wrote: post #130

I've quickly become addicted to longform (10+ minute) nonfiction youtube videos, whether it be a comprehensive analysis of Neverwinter Nights or 24 minutes on the advanced features of the laserdisc. Most, if not all of the content creators have Patreon pages, and I even contribute to a few. The content is so niche it's unimaginable that Netflix or any other content behemoth would develop their own version of it.

What's to stop Netflix from overnight coming out with "Netflix Communities" which'll just be their community-edition YouTube + Patreon and/or ads, similar to how YouTube is moving into Netflix's and Amazon's space with YouTube Originals?

There's a lot of disruption potential there given how large of a percentage Google keeps for itself from YouTube ad revenue.

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by jjoonathan » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

aequitas wrote: post #143

jjoonathan wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You just clicked on a video about making a mostly square block of metal into an even more square block of metal. Just saying." -ThisOldTony

Though describing ThisOldTony as nonfiction is a bit of a stretch ;)

You mean I will never learn how to karate-chop stock in order to break it into a dozen perfectly-machined repeats of the prototype I just made? D:

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by gf263 » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:22 PM UTC

quxbar wrote: post #130

I've quickly become addicted to longform (10+ minute) nonfiction youtube videos, whether it be a comprehensive analysis of Neverwinter Nights or 24 minutes on the advanced features of the laserdisc. Most, if not all of the content creators have Patreon pages, and I even contribute to a few. The content is so niche it's unimaginable that Netflix or any other content behemoth would develop their own version of it.

Same for me but world of warcraft lore, lol

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by golfer » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #126

I'll be honest: I probably watch more Youtube than Netflix. But, and this is a big but: I'll continue paying for Netflix long after I stop paying for Youtube. Why? Netflix is quality content that I watch when I plan on sitting in front of the TV. In contrast, I only watch Youtube for a few minutes here and there. A different analogy is live TV versus a DVD. Youtube is more like live TV: lower-quality, news, commentar…

A bigger question is if Netflix can continue to thrive in a world where all the large media companies create their own Netflix-like streaming services. Disney has their own coming soon, apple, Amazon, Facebook, Hulu, Comcast, etc etc. Content costs continue to rise, and competition will be fierce.

Netflix has a great head start and knows its audience well. But much larger companies are knocking on its door.

Re: Netflix’s biggest competition isn’t sleep, it’s YouTube

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Post by pwaivers » Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

beatgammit wrote: post #129

sametmax wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just amazed somebody can come to this conclusion. 20 years ago you had to go to the shop, buy ONE film for $15 from a limited shelve, bring it back home, put it in a device you bought specifically for that film format and that does only that, navigate through a dubious UI, be forced to watch ads, then eventually get to the film. If you didn't like it... too bad. Now for the same price, you have access to thousand…

You're forgetting rental stores. My local grocery store had a rental section for $2/movie, and the selection was way better than Redbox, and the titles didn't rotate out as quickly as Netflix. I would typically watch 4-5 movies a month (one a week), which would cost me ~$10/month. Now, I spend ~$10 per service for access to streaming content, and the selection is still worse than my grocery store was. Yes, there are…

> Who thought $5/movie was a good idea?

Is $2 vs $5 really that much different? You saved the time you spent going to the rental store and using a DVD. Plus, $5 to rent practically any movie on demand without trailers is pretty good IMO.