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Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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I believe that some of the genius of the show has to go to Dan Lyons as well. He worked at HubSpot for a stint and wrote a book about it called "Disrupted" ( https://www.amazon.com/Disrupted-My-Misadventure-Start-Up-Bu... ). Really funny, in a sad way.

He's got another one out now, "Lab Rats", on how open offices and other trends are making office work miserable. (Not sure there's much on how unpredictable scheduling of retail workers is making their lives even more miserable, but some of the motives of management are at least broadly similar...)

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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Just like all of mike judges work. A genius

He doesn't get enough credit. The fact that King of the Hill and Silicon Valley come from the same person is astounding and suggests a comic breadth that is hard to grasp.

He also programmed for a time, so he had some background for Office Space and maybe Silicon Valley. But then he made KOTH so it’s not like he’s limited either.

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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This Venn diagram always gets me. https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8291744000/h3159FC59/

I use this simple litmus test: if it has a laugh-track, then it's for dumb people.

Not a perfect rule... Kids In The Hall demonstrated for me, that in some cases, audience laughter adds an acutely essential ingredient to comedic performances.

The Kids In The Hall is a seminal example of sketch comedy, but as a broadcast show, the audio from the live audience had to be engineered into the sound channel of the program, since live performances have to mic the audience, to capture their laughs as part of the recording, and mix it properly, so that its volume pairs well with the broadcast performance, just like a sporting event.

The show really does hold up, years after the original recordings, still proving funny and awesome. But it turns out that the sounds of the audience change the whole dynamic of the humor. This is demonstrable if you stand it next to their movie, Brain Candy, which is also funny and watchable, but a different experience, without the noise of an audience.

You could argue that the performers have had their performances altered by the demands of improvisation and the give-and-take interaction that occurs with a live audience, but in retrospect, as a viewer watching the same show twenty years later, I don't really care about whether the audience effects are manufactured or not.

The truth is, the quality of the show has the sounds of the audience built into it as an integral quality, that boosts the entertainment value of the show.

The Kids In The Hall seem to have realized that the live improvisation really was a strong aspect of what made their show good, which is why they opted to engage in touring as a live show, instead of continuing as a broadcast series. I think if anyone were so inclined, though, the right kind of genius could be applied purely as post-production. It's just that the authenticity is preferred for obvious reasons, and ultimately, it's probably actually cheaper to just be talented.

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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This chart holds only in the sense that the Kardashians play dumb caricatures of themselves. They may cater their brand to the lowest common denominator but they most certainly aren’t dumb themselves. They essentially parlayed Robert Kardashian’s friendship with OJ Simpson into a media empire; there is something to be said for how media savvy they are.

I don't think anyone thinks the Kardashians are genuinely being themselves at this point. I mean, the show is painfully obvious in being scripted. It's like the Truman Show sans Truman.

If you ever find you've entered a cafe and need to sign a waiver because they're filming a reality show scene in there, I highly recommend staying to observe the process. It is hilarious the extent to which they fake the drama on these shows.

The scene was two women fighting over something. Between takes, the director and players were riffing and helping each other to develop their nasty insults and "bitchy" comments.

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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I find it hits a bit close to home, so much so as to ruin the comedy sometimes... it’d be funny if it weren’t so true, which is depressing.

Still watch it, and love it though. And super impressed that a Hollywood production finally understood Northern California. That never happens (see: The Social Network, Hackers, every Steve Jobs movie, etc.)

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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>He strikes me as a genius when it comes to understanding human behavior - Office Space, check! - Idiocracy, check! - Silicon Valley, check! For Silicon Valley it helps he's actually worked for a startup, a hardware one at that.

Office Space and Silicon Valley, sure, but Idiocracy has aged _horribly_. That movie is full of memes that haven't been relevant since the mid-00s (and specifically, the humor in the movie has a distinct Bush-era vibe which straight-up feels foreign in 2018... it feels like a period piece even though it's set in the future), and I lost whatever enjoyment of it that I had left when actual Neo-Nazis began using the mov…

Yeah, Idiocracy is kind of insidiously awful because it thinks that cultural changes are actually genetic. You don't have to follow its arguments very far at all to come to the conclusion that ignorance can be fixed, not by education, but by restricting breeding rights. We all know where that leads.

(Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/603/)

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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It's quite amazing how good a job Silicon Valley does considering how badly wrong it could go (I'm looking at you Big Bang Theory). I'm sure there are quite a few industries that could have similar comedies about them from people who really know what the industry is like. W1A is another great example.

Pardon my ignorance but what did big bang theory got wrong?

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Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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He doesn't get enough credit. The fact that King of the Hill and Silicon Valley come from the same person is astounding and suggests a comic breadth that is hard to grasp.

He also programmed for a time, so he had some background for Office Space and maybe Silicon Valley. But then he made KOTH so it’s not like he’s limited either.

He’s come a long way from Beavis and Butthead!

Re: If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

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Silicon Valley The Internship The Circle It's possible to get a somewhat accurate view from watching these, but you have to know which parts to completely ignore. I kind of wish there were "this is accurate" edits of those shows and movies.

There's also the short-lived Betas, on Amazon Video. It wasn't as good as HBO's show is (the characters are far more grating), yet the younger and scrappier milieu feels like it captures the youth-obsessed, juvenile segment of startup culture better. And it's also based in San Francisco, unlike the South Bay-centered Silicon Valley.
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