Stamos says the US must ‘come together to protect’ democracy from misinformation

Post by basurihn » Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 8:55 PM UTC

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I come from a very right-leaning area. I was quite surprised to find that everyone I knew supported the daily killing and torture of Jews... because that is what Nazis do, right? I was also quite surprised to hear that my community wants to take away rights from black people, which I heard in a radio ad not so long ago. The left has its equal share of hobgoblins.

> I was also quite surprised to hear that my community wants to take away rights from black people, which I heard in a radio ad not so long ago Have you checked this? What's their opinion on, for example, Black Lives matter?

Post by acct1771 » Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 10:31 PM UTC

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After the Trump election where I interestingly enough found myself agreeing with a lot of the critique of the current political system coming from both Sanders and Trump even though I would normally consider myself part of the liberal political spectrum (pro-abortion, against the death sentence, couldn't care less if gay people get married etc) I started digging into things I had taken for granted such as Breibart be…

Exactly. You and I have gone down the same rabbit hole and realized that its not as clear cut as they claim. The pompousness and shaming has to end in order for us all to come together. Blaming everything on this false spectre of "misinformation" is nonsense. It's a veiled attempt to treat everyone who disagree with you as stupid.

Post by hannasanarion » Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 2:28 AM UTC

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And if the majority of those voters are opposed to democracy itself, and vote for candidates who promise to take away votes from people they don't like, or establish a theocracy? "America isn't and shouldn't be a democracy" is a common Republican talking point. This has happened in Poland and Hungary and its darn close to happening in the United States.

Not sure what you’re implying with your statement about the Republican talking point. The point of the point is the U.S. was designed to be a Constitutional Republic which isn’t a democracy. The Constitutional Republic is designed to protect the rights and freedoms of the individual via the Constitution and bill of rights. If by Democracy one is referring solely to majority rule, then protection against individual ri…

Post by qaq » Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 3:20 PM UTC

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I guess should have being more specific as in educate people to identify misinformation campaigns. The alternative of giving government powers to sensor information looks even less reasonable.

Education works, except that the whole system relies on the same propaganda tricks. Governments use education to spread ideology and they would never properly teach people about their tricks, they want people to believe in all the bullshit, get used to the system, participate in the system, obey it, they don't want to prepare dissidents at schools.

Post by hannasanarion » Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 2:12 AM UTC

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True as long as the representative democracy doesn’t infringe on the individual’s constitutional rights. That’s where the democracy bit gives way to the judicial branch. Of coarse with a politicized court you’re right back to the ills of a democracy.

What you’re saying is still true in a constitutional monarchy. Being a republic or democracy doesn’t matter. Its the constitutional part that’s important.