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Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by chickenfries »

seanhunter wrote: post #120
chickenfries wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DuckDuckGo’s search results aren’t as good for the average user.

Not sure this is true. Just yesterday I had to explain to an average user how ddg was answering a query they couldn't get answered in google. This was a really basic thing (finding the NYC office address of a company we were working with). For some reason Google just wouldn't return the result whereas it was top hit on ddg.

My experience is the exact opposite. DDG works well for most things, especially programming, but when I want to find the address of a local business Google is much better, probably because they use my location.

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Post by 908087 »

ilovecaching wrote: post #24

To me the negative press cycle involving Facebook and other advertising companies is more about the hidden war between the new age digital advertisers, and the former rulers of ads: the conventional news outlets. The news outlets will jump on any chance they can get to kill their competitors just like any other company. Without Facebook, they could become the sole source of news again, and reap the lost ad revenue th…

Why did you make the same post twice in this thread?

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Post by skeptic_69 »

mcguire wrote: post #134
skeptic_69 wrote: post #45

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not just jaron lanier! there are multiple thinkers who are fellow travelrs. Cal newport, Tristan harris, Nicholas Carr...

"Fellow travelers?" Been a while since I've heard that.

everything old is new again

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Post by skeptic_69 »

humanetech wrote: post #121
thanatropism wrote: post #117

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The other day I heard Time Well Spent get thoroughly mocked in The Culture podcast, but I was too out of the loop to understand why. Still am.

Not sure if this was about the CHT then, as there exists still the Time Well Spent movement (as a FB group). But it could well be. The CHT realize quite well that TWS constitutes only a small part of what makes tech humane. Also the way that companies are adopting it, has a great deal of marketing to it (akin to 'greenwashing'). So you could say that regarding TWS some tiny steps were made in the right direction.

I think the green-washing comment is definitely on-point. co-opt the opposition and there is no opposition.

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Post by gonehome »

bostik wrote: post #98
gonehome wrote: post #57

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From people that work there they are hiring unlimited headcount to work on integrity teams - the goal of which is to stop the kind of manipulation that happened in the 2016 election. Given the decisions Facebook has made Zuck seems like a really good CEO and when FB makes something their focus they usually pull it off - fixing mobile, instagram moves against snapchat, etc. The impression I get from people that work t…

> the goal of which is to stop the kind of manipulation that happened That's the problem, right there. FB, as a company, believes they can somehow stop propaganda/agitprop from being disseminated on their platform. They are desperately trying to apply pre-emptive filtering, and will fail. They have no desire to actually work on improving the situation. Once someone has been subjected to this kind of messaging, FB wil…

They do do that - they have fact checking things below stories and are trying different things to make that better.

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Post by hyperdimension »

skeptic_69 wrote: post #50
TrevorAustin wrote: post #49

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Tim Wu makes the case for breaking up tech giants, and FB specifically, at book length

Are you referring to master switch or attention merchants? been meaning to read both.

They're likely referring to The Master Switch, but I'd definitely recommend both. They're fantastic books, and Tim Wu really goes into significant depth in each.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

strict9 wrote: post #56

>On a conservative news site called the NTK Network, dozens of articles blasted Google and Apple for unsavory business practices. One story called Mr. Cook hypocritical for chiding Facebook over privacy, noting that Apple also collects reams of data from users. Another played down the impact of the Russians’ use of Facebook. >The rash of news coverage was no accident: NTK is an affiliate of Definers, sharing offices…

This is not the first time Facebook has used these tactics. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/12/facebook-...

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Post by hyperdimension »

sevensor wrote: post #22
kakaorka wrote: post #9

Makes me think about the quote ‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!’ Of course they don’t care about anything but profit and growth because it’s what makes them richer.

Perhaps, but this quote is used so frequently on HN that you should probably just assume it's already been posted to every comment thread.

What, you haven't had enough of that quote yet? How about "If it's free, you're not the customer, you're the product?"

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Post by lern_too_spel »

samfisher83 wrote: post #7
minimaxir wrote: post #4

Funny quote: > “We’re not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, said in an MSNBC interview. “Privacy to us is a human right. It’s a civil liberty.” (Mr. Cook’s criticisms infuriated Mr. Zuckerberg, who later ordered his management team to use only Android phones, since the operating system has far more users than Apple’s.)

If Tim cook believed this why is he taking billions from google to be the default search engine? Why not pick a more privacy friendly search engine?

Remember when iOS had Facebook built in? I do. Apple's strategy has always been anything to make a buck.

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Post by Balgair »

sjg007 wrote: post #81
Balgair wrote: post #52

This Times piece should be taken seriously by FB, it's shareholders, employees, and users. With good sourcing, this paints a very immature picture of the company, from leadership on down to the users. Though the article uses the Russian interference as the launching off point, in my reading, it seems that these attacks on our democracy are essentially waived off. That the most pressing issue for Zuck was not that the…

The two part Frontline episode on PBS really illustrates your point. Facebook needs to take a stand.

Any link to the videos? I'd love to see them.
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