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Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Seen this type of comment thread before countless times on the Google support forum. They'll placate the complainers by saying they're listening to feedback and then only pay heed to the positive comments and not change a thing. De rigeur for businesses. The general type of dishonesty is quite amazing. Yes, people are maybe excessively resistant to change, but when everyone is telling you something sucks, your custom…

It's de rigeur for bad businesses. Especially considering many gsuite users are paying customers.

Replying to self: judging from the voting here people on HN have a poor view of business. I'll point out Stripe or most smaller tech companies as an example of listening to customer feedback and doing something about it.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Speaking personally (I happen to work at Google, but not on mail): The combinatorics of supporting multiple versions of a product get expensive very quickly. It's the same reason that web platform changes now affect evergreen browsers directly (even with the occasional breaking change), rather than introducing more modes like quirks and strict. Every variant you introduce grows the surface area for bugs and security…

I think Inbox was an interesting approach to "fixing Gmail", which I've long had un-cite-able suspicions of internally being horribly broken (in the sense of maintainability and elegant architecture, not visible bugs).

Amongst only 11 outages in 14 years of continuous operation and use by probably a billion people, in 2011 Gmail lost 0.02% of users' email due to "a storage bug" that nuked all copies of data, and they had to restore from tape: https://gmail.googleblog.com/2011/02/gmail-back-soon-for-eve...

This status quo and example, along with the fact that https://google.com/appsstatus lists Gmail at the top, is a clear demonstration that Gmail is probably locked down so tight _everything_ has to be demonstrably proven to be at near-aviation-grade reliability before it's rolled out. I wonder if the Gmail team retains the same people from 5-10 years ago to minimize the amount of onboarding churn and maximize the chances things will be broken from unfamiliarity.

The Inbox idea was pretty inspired: _start again_, make a separate property/"brand", keep it reasonably niche, and you can get away with an effectively-lower SLA. And then once you get past the teething problems and speedbumps you can pivot the functionality back into Gmail.

But yeah, doing the pivot/fold-in does nuke the identity that got created. That makes power users who liked it more sad. And obviously you can't tell everyone the project is temporary or it won't go viral.

These systemic issues are not at all unique to Google, of course.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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If you've got a reasonably fast connection and machine, the "load basic HTML (for slow connections)" link at bottom right disappears almost instantly when loading the Gmail web interface. You can use this direct link to the basic HTML version: http://mail.google.com/mail/h/ but Google's not quite done with you yet, presenting this message along with two buttons: Do you really want to use HTML Gmail? You’re about to u…

Also, HTML version works even with JS disabled.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #6

Seen this type of comment thread before countless times on the Google support forum. They'll placate the complainers by saying they're listening to feedback and then only pay heed to the positive comments and not change a thing. De rigeur for businesses. The general type of dishonesty is quite amazing. Yes, people are maybe excessively resistant to change, but when everyone is telling you something sucks, your custom…

The folks at Google aren't idiots. They now that there is a vocal minority of complainers, most of whom will accept the new UI after a week or two. For a customer base the size of GMail, placating every complaint is just not in the interest of their business. That is one of the downsides of dominant marker players. Microsoft had the same leverage with Windows 10 (this round of complaints feels similar, although the f…

By the way, to use IMAP/SMTP you will need to switch "enable unsecure apps" in Google Account preferences. Google considers all auth methods except OAuth2 to be insecure (and OAuth2 doesn't work in my slightly outdated version of Thunderbird). But I think the opposite: with OAuth2 the token is stored on your device, with password auth the password is not stored anywhere.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Everyone hates UI changes. Wait 6 months and it will be the new normal.

It took over 20 seconds for the compose Window to pop up today. Yes it was the first time on load, but why did Gmail take 30 seconds to load before it was usable? Why did a website take as long to load as my entire OS? 32GB of RAM, 4+4 cores, what the hell is going on? I just tested again, 34 seconds from hitting enter at "gmail.com" to getting a compose window loaded. Gmail used to be lightening fast, an example of…

Just tried it myself and it took 10 seconds. That still seems far too long.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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For me it's not about look but speed: Gmail simply can't put text in the compose box as fast as I can type it. Gmail is the slowest web app I use. From what I've read Google, for whatever reason, don't care about Gmail perf and use slow deprecated APIs in Firefox and Edge even when faster ones are available. The DOM looks like garbage with massive amounts of unnecessary elements. It's basically the opposite pf everyt…

I switched to using the macOS mail app for the first time in years, and was kind of blown away by how fast it was. Native apps still have their place.

Yeah, to me Webmail is a backup not a default. Naturally Gmail is a bit nonstandard there too, but by and large functional.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to using the macOS mail app for the first time in years, and was kind of blown away by how fast it was. Native apps still have their place.

Yeah, to me Webmail is a backup not a default. Naturally Gmail is a bit nonstandard there too, but by and large functional.

Fastmail is web based and still way faster than gMail

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t spam the main problem nowadays? I find a hosted mail unusable without some spamfilter in front that is either costly or comes with your corporate accounts.

I don't think so. I was using a selfhosted email for years and never had any problems with spam. You just need to configure your email services to use some DNS block lists like those: zen.spamhaus.org bl.spamcop.net and so on. Also, setup DMARC and SPF entries for your domain. https://dmarc.org/

I have been using self hosted email for two years, spam, I have received I did receive:

- several spam emails by week until May on another domain I host (at info@ and contact@, easy to filter out)

- one spam last month at info@, also easy to filter out.

All of these spammy emails came from OVH IPs.

It's interesting to see that I haven't received any spam to personalized email addresses I give to stuff that need an email for registration so far.

edit: actually, I just received a spammy email at info@. So weird. Not from OVH this time.

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