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Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by Someone1234 »

badpun wrote: post #55
digitaLandscape wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is clearly not the case: the C64 could respond to input faster than the a few-year-old iPhone.

Sadly, the C64 is also quicker than Apple's iCloud website. Frequently, when I type a new note or a reminder, the lag between my pressing a key and character appearing on the screen is in several seconds. This is on a 4-core machine with 16 GB of RAM that's not doing anything else.

It really does perplex me that the iCloud website is as bad as it is. I'd almost think it was abandoned-ware except that Apple continues to update it. Their whole cloud offering (iTunes store, Apple Music, iCloud) needs a MASSIVE overhaul. Everything should be available via the web and on a modern accessible website.

I'd go as far as to say that they need a new point-person in charge of their Cloud Services because whoever is doing it now is completely out of touch. iTunes in particular is embarrassing, and I personally buy less stuff because I don't want to run it (instead use Vudu, Amazon Digital, etc).

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by post_break »

To me it sounds like Apple wants to be "seen" as building products that last as long as possible to justify the cost of the product. They want you to justify the buy it for life cost, because they want you to believe the marketing that it will last longer than competitors, even while laptop keyboards fail early, the repair process costs over $800, the screens on laptops look like someone sprayed brake cleaner all over them when they've only lived in an office environment, iPhones get "touch disease" etc etc.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by collyw »

Pamar wrote: post #8
cryptos wrote: post #3

That is all very well and I really appreciate Apple's long support for iPhones, but Apple did popularize firmly bonded batteries in its phones and even in notebooks. A battery is a wear part and should be easy to replace. Every thing else leads to more waste.

I do not necessarily disagree about the fact that batteries should be easily replaceable. On the other hand, I do not think that Apple's motivation was pure greed: if you make the battery an easily replaceable part you also need to encase it in a shell, and make it robust enough that even untrained users can safely handle these. This means that you have to make it bigger (externally) sacrificing actual internal volum…

Plenty of other manufacturers manage a decent replaceable battery, I don't see why Apple can't.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by kimikelku »

the_solenoid wrote: post #107
beloch wrote: post #12

You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…

I think if you try to extrapolate your or my willingness to repair something to the overall market for the iphone, it would be an error. What are the tradeoffs for a user replaceable battery? (really, this is something we should all know if we are arguing FOR replaceable batteries - maybe it's not the best idea? I would wager 99%+ of sales go to people who never want to touch the innards of a phone. And anecdotally,…

I don't know how big the adoption is in the US for nokia "dumb phones", but in Europe they sell really good.

The first thing you do when you take them out of the box is to put the battery in.

Even if the person at the store does this for you, just by watching you can easly do it yourself.

And since iphones are a huge role model, if they implement it others will follow along.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by GeekyBear »

vesak wrote: post #17
beloch wrote: post #12

You know what helps products last longer and reduces waste at the same time? Repairability . The repairability of apple products is so poor that even Apple can't fix most of their own products without replacing surprisingly large portions of any given Apple device. End user repairability has been utterly neglected. Disassembly is frequently impossible without causing damage, and components such as batteries are frequ…

>Hey, it's great that they managed to get iOS 12 to run on a 5S. It probably runs like an absolute dog, but it runs! People are actually reporting that iOS 12 runs faster than iOS 11.

Improved performance on even the oldest supported devices was the headline feature of this iOS release.

>Under stress tests, iOS 12 loaded share sheet display up to 2X faster on the iPhone 6 Plus. The keyboard opens 50 percent faster on older devices, while apps launch 40 percent faster and the camera opens 70 percent faster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/articl...

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by garyrob »

lowkeyokay wrote: post #36
batteryhorse wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but iOS 11 was really slow. Does it run faster than iOS 6?

From my experience iOS runs quite decently on 5S and on 6, my current phone.

I'm having the same experience as an iPhone 6 user. I'm having trouble finding much reason to upgrade.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by orev »

kimikelku wrote: post #146
the_solenoid wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you try to extrapolate your or my willingness to repair something to the overall market for the iphone, it would be an error. What are the tradeoffs for a user replaceable battery? (really, this is something we should all know if we are arguing FOR replaceable batteries - maybe it's not the best idea? I would wager 99%+ of sales go to people who never want to touch the innards of a phone. And anecdotally,…

I don't know how big the adoption is in the US for nokia "dumb phones", but in Europe they sell really good. The first thing you do when you take them out of the box is to put the battery in. Even if the person at the store does this for you, just by watching you can easly do it yourself. And since iphones are a huge role model, if they implement it others will follow along.

All of the physical mechanisms required to allow a user replaceable battery are fragile and take up valuable space. It’s not a simple matter of just allowing it. It could actually lead to more repairs due to failure of those parts, and you certainly could no longer make the backs out of glass or other exotic materials. They would all have to be plastic.

Re: Apple now strives to design and build products that last as long as possible

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Post by bfrog »

Phones being disposable isn't going to change, so looking at the annual cost of ownership is really all I care about. If a $1K iphone lasts 5 years vs my $170 android lasting 2 years, its still a better deal to simply spend $170 on the android. Better yet they usually last far more than 2 years, you just don't necessarily have the latest OS, which I mean, seeing as these devices change so little now, who cares?
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